[cncf-toc] New version of Cloud Native Landscape

Alexis Richardson alexis at weave.works
Tue Sep 12 18:19:53 UTC 2017


I think that approach is the only reasonable one

(that doesn't require the voting TOC members to build the landscape)



On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Stephen Watt via cncf-toc <
cncf-toc at lists.cncf.io> wrote:

> Per the last TOC meeting, we're building out the storage piece of this
> landscape in the Storage WG. The one dilemma I've been noodling on is how
> to manage the fact that there is an incentive for every Product Manager
> from every Storage Company to make a case to have their products listed in
> every category, whether they really fit the category or not. I think this
> is kind of a shared issue across the entire landscape.
>
> One idea might be to increase the level of effort to petition for
> inclusion. One approach might be that workgroups spend some time
> articulating the properties for each category (which establishes and
> clearly communicates what the bar is for inclusion) and once that is
> completed, open source projects and commercial solutions would then be
> required to get a slot on the relevant WG calendar to demo how their
> product meets the requirements for the category. This will ensure that
> anyone requesting to be added to a category in the landscape has some skin
> in the game, which should reduce the amount of time we all spend dealing
> with spurious requests for addition.
>
> Regards
> Steve Watt
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <
> cncf-toc at lists.cncf.io> wrote:
>
>> Chip, I've heard this criticism, which is why we added this explanation
>> at the bottom:
>>
>> This landscape is intended as a map through the previously uncharted
>>> terrain of cloud native technologies. There are many routes to deploying a
>>> cloud native application, with CNCF Projects representing a particularly
>>> well-traveled path.
>>
>>
>> It's certainly possible that developers or end users in investigating
>> cloud native could look at the diagram, see that there are 300 options, and
>> decide to just avoid the space entirely and stick with VMs. However, I do
>> not think that is likely.
>>
>> Instead, I believe that it is effectively sending the message that using
>> CNCF projects is not the only path to cloud native, but it is a good one.
>>
>> --
>> Dan Kohn <mailto:dan at linuxfoundation.org>
>> Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation <https://cncf.io/>
>> tel:+1-415-233-1000 <(415)%20233-1000>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 1:17 PM, Chip Childers <
>> cchilders at cloudfoundry.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Fully respecting all of the work that went into this diagram, from the
>>> taxonomy discussions, to the categorization efforts and the design work, I
>>> have a question as a list lurker:
>>>
>>> What was / is the intent of the diagram, and who is the intended "user"?
>>> Some feedback I've been hearing from end users / customers is that it's
>>> perhaps even more confusing than not having it. It's certainly good to
>>> expose the choices that individuals and organization can make, but it's
>>> overwhelming to those I've spoken with. It pretty directly exposes them to
>>> the paradox of choice that they face.
>>>
>>> If end users / customers are not the intended audience, that would be
>>> good to make more clear. If they are, you might want to solicit some
>>> feedback from people outside the "bubble" to get their take.
>>>
>>> Anyway... hope that was useful feedback... back to lurking for me.
>>>
>>> -chip
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 9:43 AM Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <
>>> cncf-toc at lists.cncf.io> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have an interactive version under development that will allow better
>>>> zooming and filtering, as well as include dynamic info like GitHub stars
>>>> and funding from Crunchbase.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dan Kohn <mailto:dan at linuxfoundation.org>
>>>> Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation <https://cncf.io/
>>>> >
>>>> tel:+1-415-233-1000 <(415)%20233-1000>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Brian Grant <briangrant at google.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's a symptom that this is becoming too much of an eye chart to be
>>>>> useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest having one diagram that shows the areas and current CNCF
>>>>> projects, and one diagram per area/layer/column with other projects.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <
>>>>> cncf-toc at lists.cncf.io> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I made the change at the last minute to deal with a spacing issue. I
>>>>>> will revert it in the next version and restore CI/CD to the top layer.
>>>>>> Apologies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dan Kohn <mailto:dan at linuxfoundation.org>
>>>>>> Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation <
>>>>>> https://cncf.io/>
>>>>>> tel:+1-415-233-1000 <(415)%20233-1000>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Alexis Richardson <
>>>>>> alexis at weave.works> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure,
>>>>>>> which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis at weave.works>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's very disappointing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and
>>>>>>>>> 0.9.6.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <
>>>>>>>>> alexis at weave.works> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dan, Chris, any ideas?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <
>>>>>>>>>> cncf-toc at lists.cncf.io> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to
>>>>>>>>>>> put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there
>>>>>>>>>>> so we must've had a good reason for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> C
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <
>>>>>>>>>>> cncf-toc at lists.cncf.io> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud
>>>>>>>>>>>> Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at
>>>>>>>>>>>> issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: CloudNativeLandscape_v0.9.6.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan Kohn <mailto:dan at linuxfoundation.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation <
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cncf.io/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> tel:+1-415-233-1000 <(415)%20233-1000>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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