New version of Cloud Native Landscape


Dan Kohn <dan@...>
 

You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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Camille Fournier
 

Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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Pini Reznik
 

Would be good to add a section for service providers.
Especially now, when we have the first batch of  certified kubernetes service provides 

Pini

On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 at 18:13, Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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alexis richardson
 

Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

Dan, Chris, any ideas?





On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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Camille Fournier
 

It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

Dan, Chris, any ideas?





On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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alexis richardson
 

That's very disappointing


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:
It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

Dan, Chris, any ideas?





On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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alexis richardson
 

The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure, which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

That's very disappointing


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:
It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

Dan, Chris, any ideas?





On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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Dan Kohn <dan@...>
 

I made the change at the last minute to deal with a spacing issue. I will revert it in the next version and restore CI/CD to the top layer. Apologies.

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On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure, which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

That's very disappointing


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:
It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

Dan, Chris, any ideas?





On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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alexis richardson
 

Dan

Please could you revert to the last known good version?

Alexis


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 05:34 Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:
I made the change at the last minute to deal with a spacing issue. I will revert it in the next version and restore CI/CD to the top layer. Apologies.

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On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure, which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

That's very disappointing


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:
It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

Dan, Chris, any ideas?





On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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alexis richardson
 

maybe we should have a whole 'nother 'scape for data


On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM Yaron Haviv <yaronh@...> wrote:

Another comment on the diagram

Very few would categorize Hadoop, Spark, and Qubole as DBs or DWs (they are analytic platforms which can run some DB APIs but also ML/AI/..)

I recommend changing the title to “Databases & Analytics” (DW is a DB category so haven’t lost anything)

 

Yaron  

 

 

From: cncf-toc-bounces@... [mailto:cncf-toc-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc
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Dan

Please could you revert to the last known good version?

Alexis

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 05:34 Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:

I made the change at the last minute to deal with a spacing issue. I will revert it in the next version and restore CI/CD to the top layer. Apologies.


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tel:+1-415-233-1000

 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure, which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

That's very disappointing

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:

It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

 

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

 

Dan, Chris, any ideas?

 

 

 

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

 

Thanks,

C

 

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:

 

image001.jpg

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Dan Kohn <dan@...>
 

Alexis, there are hundreds of positive changes in the latest version. We can do an 0.9.7 quickly, though.

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On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 3:55 AM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

Dan

Please could you revert to the last known good version?

Alexis


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 05:34 Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:
I made the change at the last minute to deal with a spacing issue. I will revert it in the next version and restore CI/CD to the top layer. Apologies.

--
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Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation <https://cncf.io/>
tel:+1-415-233-1000

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure, which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

That's very disappointing


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:
It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

Dan, Chris, any ideas?





On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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Yaron Haviv <yaronh@...>
 

I also assume we will soon see a slew of “cloud-native” AI/ML start-ups, where would they sit?

 

BTW interesting to learn DB2 & Oracle are “cloud-native” now, maybe we should add Lotus Notes 😊

 

Yaron

 

From: Alexis Richardson [mailto:alexis@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:48 PM
To: Yaron Haviv <yaronh@...>; Dan Kohn <dan@...>; Benjamin Hindman <benh@...>; Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] New version of Cloud Native Landscape

 

maybe we should have a whole 'nother 'scape for data

 

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM Yaron Haviv <yaronh@...> wrote:

Another comment on the diagram

Very few would categorize Hadoop, Spark, and Qubole as DBs or DWs (they are analytic platforms which can run some DB APIs but also ML/AI/..)

I recommend changing the title to “Databases & Analytics” (DW is a DB category so haven’t lost anything)

 

Yaron  

 

 

From: cncf-toc-bounces@... [mailto:cncf-toc-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:56 AM
To: Dan Kohn <dan@...>


Cc: Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] New version of Cloud Native Landscape

 

Dan

Please could you revert to the last known good version?

Alexis

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 05:34 Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:

I made the change at the last minute to deal with a spacing issue. I will revert it in the next version and restore CI/CD to the top layer. Apologies.


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Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation <https://cncf.io/>
tel:+1-415-233-1000

 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure, which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

That's very disappointing

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:

It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

 

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

 

Dan, Chris, any ideas?

 

 

 

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

 

Thanks,

C

 

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:

 

image001.jpg

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alexis richardson
 

I'm sorry to hear that the changes are many and complex.

Speaking for the TOC, the most important thing is to preserve the layering and buckets within each layer.  Because we voted on that.





On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:49 PM Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:
Alexis, there are hundreds of positive changes in the latest version. We can do an 0.9.7 quickly, though.

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On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 3:55 AM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

Dan

Please could you revert to the last known good version?

Alexis


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 05:34 Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:
I made the change at the last minute to deal with a spacing issue. I will revert it in the next version and restore CI/CD to the top layer. Apologies.

--
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Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation <https://cncf.io/>
tel:+1-415-233-1000

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure, which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

That's very disappointing


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:
It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

Dan, Chris, any ideas?





On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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alexis richardson
 

AIs will create their own maps that humans cannot understand :-P



On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:51 PM Yaron Haviv <yaronh@...> wrote:

I also assume we will soon see a slew of “cloud-native” AI/ML start-ups, where would they sit?

 

BTW interesting to learn DB2 & Oracle are “cloud-native” now, maybe we should add Lotus Notes 😊

 

Yaron

 

From: Alexis Richardson [mailto:alexis@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 2:48 PM
To: Yaron Haviv <yaronh@...>; Dan Kohn <dan@...>; Benjamin Hindman <benh@...>; Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...>


Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] New version of Cloud Native Landscape

 

maybe we should have a whole 'nother 'scape for data

 

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM Yaron Haviv <yaronh@...> wrote:

Another comment on the diagram

Very few would categorize Hadoop, Spark, and Qubole as DBs or DWs (they are analytic platforms which can run some DB APIs but also ML/AI/..)

I recommend changing the title to “Databases & Analytics” (DW is a DB category so haven’t lost anything)

 

Yaron  

 

 

From: cncf-toc-bounces@... [mailto:cncf-toc-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:56 AM
To: Dan Kohn <dan@...>


Cc: Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] New version of Cloud Native Landscape

 

Dan

Please could you revert to the last known good version?

Alexis

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 05:34 Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:

I made the change at the last minute to deal with a spacing issue. I will revert it in the next version and restore CI/CD to the top layer. Apologies.


--

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Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation <https://cncf.io/>
tel:+1-415-233-1000

 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure, which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

That's very disappointing

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:

It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

 

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

 

Dan, Chris, any ideas?

 

 

 

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

 

Thanks,

C

 

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:

 

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On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:51 AM, Yaron Haviv via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

I also assume we will soon see a slew of “cloud-native” AI/ML start-ups, where would they sit?

 

BTW interesting to learn DB2 & Oracle are “cloud-native” now, maybe we should add Lotus Notes 😊


Not every application in the universe should be in this map, whether they are cloud-native or not. The map is already too busy. I'd prefer to kick out a number of the projects that are currently in the app definition layer and just enumerate whole areas that are out of scope.
 

 

Yaron

 

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maybe we should have a whole 'nother 'scape for data

 

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM Yaron Haviv <yaronh@...> wrote:

Another comment on the diagram

Very few would categorize Hadoop, Spark, and Qubole as DBs or DWs (they are analytic platforms which can run some DB APIs but also ML/AI/..)

I recommend changing the title to “Databases & Analytics” (DW is a DB category so haven’t lost anything)

 

Yaron  

 

 

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Dan

Please could you revert to the last known good version?

Alexis

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 05:34 Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:

I made the change at the last minute to deal with a spacing issue. I will revert it in the next version and restore CI/CD to the top layer. Apologies.


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On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure, which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

That's very disappointing

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:

It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

 

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

 

Dan, Chris, any ideas?

 

 

 

 

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

 

Thanks,

C

 

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

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Good catch, Camille.

Yeah, there are a bunch of changes in this version that don't make sense. For example, why is Openstack at a layer above public cloud?

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:51 AM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that the changes are many and complex.

Speaking for the TOC, the most important thing is to preserve the layering and buckets within each layer.  Because we voted on that.





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Alexis, there are hundreds of positive changes in the latest version. We can do an 0.9.7 quickly, though.

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On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 3:55 AM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

Dan

Please could you revert to the last known good version?

Alexis


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 05:34 Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:
I made the change at the last minute to deal with a spacing issue. I will revert it in the next version and restore CI/CD to the top layer. Apologies.

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On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure, which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

That's very disappointing


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:
It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

Dan, Chris, any ideas?





On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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No, service providers are documented elsewhere.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:32 PM, Pini Reznik via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Would be good to add a section for service providers.
Especially now, when we have the first batch of  certified kubernetes service provides 

Pini

On Mon, 11 Sep 2017 at 18:13, Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

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That's a symptom that this is becoming too much of an eye chart to be useful.

I suggest having one diagram that shows the areas and current CNCF projects, and one diagram per area/layer/column with other projects.



On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
I made the change at the last minute to deal with a spacing issue. I will revert it in the next version and restore CI/CD to the top layer. Apologies.

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On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure, which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

That's very disappointing


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:
It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

Dan, Chris, any ideas?





On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
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Yeah, there are a bunch of changes in this version that don't make sense. For example, why is Openstack at a layer above public cloud?

We were making a distinction between software for provisioning a public (or private cloud) and providers offering public clouds. 


Dan Kohn <dan@...>
 

We have an interactive version under development that will allow better zooming and filtering, as well as include dynamic info like GitHub stars and funding from Crunchbase.

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On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Brian Grant <briangrant@...> wrote:
That's a symptom that this is becoming too much of an eye chart to be useful.

I suggest having one diagram that shows the areas and current CNCF projects, and one diagram per area/layer/column with other projects.




On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
I made the change at the last minute to deal with a spacing issue. I will revert it in the next version and restore CI/CD to the top layer. Apologies.

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On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
The TOC will have to fix this, by going back to the 0.92 structure, which was correct.  And rebuilding from there.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:06 Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

That's very disappointing


On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 03:05 Camille Fournier <skamille@...> wrote:
It looks like it changed pretty significantly between 0.9.5 and 0.9.6. 

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Woah.  How did CICD get moved?  Wtf

Landscape 0.92 is authoritative. I'm afraid this new thing is not.

Dan, Chris, any ideas?





On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, 02:13 Camille Fournier via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Can someone point me to the doc or remind me why we decided to put "CI/CD" into the "provisioning" layer? It's a bit of an odd duck there so we must've had a good reason for it.

Thanks,
C

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Dan Kohn via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
You may be interested in the new version of the CNCF Cloud Native Landscape. As always, if you see something wrong, please open at issue at https://github.com/cncf/landscape:



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