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Lee Calcote #233 All, Given the CNCF’s role of promulgating a general understanding of what cloud native is, specifically how the projects governed by the CNCF provide platforms and tooling for cloud native applications, I think the “try” approach to providing easy-to-use, publically-available sandboxes is a true facilitator, couching edification of cloud native in context of the CNCF projects. The “try” sandboxes could: have walk-thru tutorials that parlay and reference the “model applications” Bryan Cantrill referred to. utilize part of the (idle?) 1000-node cluster for the CNCF community be leveraged as a platform for training courses and developer certification be a source of measuring interest, adoption, demographics A page could be taken from these successes LinuxContainers.org and TryStack.org (I’ll through in Cisco dCloud as well). I’m sure of the order of operations / speaking rules on the conference call. Apologies if I chimed-in out of turn today. Cheers, Lee “(c) Promotion of the underlying technologies, and approach to application definition and management, including: events and conferences, marketing (SEM, direct marketing), training courses and developer certification”
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alexis richardson #235 +1 Lee, I agree with you on this --- i.e that "try" services help in many ways. I was a bit surprised by the lack of buy-in during the call. Having said that, the call was about setting an achievable number of priorities. If we can get cloud native apps & patterns into shape, then it may be more obvious how to "try" them. a toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lee Calcote via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: All, Given the CNCF’s role of promulgating a general understanding of what cloud native is, specifically how the projects governed by the CNCF provide platforms and tooling for cloud native applications, I think the “try” approach to providing easy-to-use, publically-available sandboxes is a true facilitator, couching edification of cloud native in context of the CNCF projects. The “try” sandboxes could: have walk-thru tutorials that parlay and reference the “model applications” Bryan Cantrill referred to. utilize part of the (idle?) 1000-node cluster for the CNCF community be leveraged as a platform for training courses and developer certification be a source of measuring interest, adoption, demographics A page could be taken from these successes LinuxContainers.org and TryStack.org (I’ll through in Cisco dCloud as well). I’m sure of the order of operations / speaking rules on the conference call. Apologies if I chimed-in out of turn today. Cheers, Lee “(c) Promotion of the underlying technologies, and approach to application definition and management, including: events and conferences, marketing (SEM, direct marketing), training courses and developer certification” _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc
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Jonathan Boulle <jonathan.boulle@...> #236 I'm not totally opposed to the try idea in principle or as an end goal - my lack of obvious enthusiasm was more about a) resources (who's going to do it?) and b) putting the cart before the horse - as Alexis alluded to I think we have some way to go before we have a clear enough idea of the model applications etc. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 2 June 2016 at 10:25, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: +1 Lee, I agree with you on this --- i.e that "try" services help in many ways. I was a bit surprised by the lack of buy-in during the call. Having said that, the call was about setting an achievable number of priorities. If we can get cloud native apps & patterns into shape, then it may be more obvious how to "try" them. a On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lee Calcote via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: All, Given the CNCF’s role of promulgating a general understanding of what cloud native is, specifically how the projects governed by the CNCF provide platforms and tooling for cloud native applications, I think the “try” approach to providing easy-to-use, publically-available sandboxes is a true facilitator, couching edification of cloud native in context of the CNCF projects. The “try” sandboxes could: have walk-thru tutorials that parlay and reference the “model applications” Bryan Cantrill referred to. utilize part of the (idle?) 1000-node cluster for the CNCF community be leveraged as a platform for training courses and developer certification be a source of measuring interest, adoption, demographics A page could be taken from these successes LinuxContainers.org and TryStack.org (I’ll through in Cisco dCloud as well). I’m sure of the order of operations / speaking rules on the conference call. Apologies if I chimed-in out of turn today. Cheers, Lee “(c) Promotion of the underlying technologies, and approach to application definition and management, including: events and conferences, marketing (SEM, direct marketing), training courses and developer certification” _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc
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alexis richardson #237 Jon, Noted, thanks. On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Boulle <jonathan.boulle@...> wrote: I'm not totally opposed to the try idea in principle or as an end goal - my lack of obvious enthusiasm was more about a) resources (who's going to do it?) I think we'd want to commission a 3rd party to do work, much as we talked about for some of the docs. and b) putting the cart before the horse - as Alexis alluded to I think we have some way to go before we have a clear enough idea of the model applications etc. Indeed. a On 2 June 2016 at 10:25, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: +1 Lee, I agree with you on this --- i.e that "try" services help in many ways. I was a bit surprised by the lack of buy-in during the call. Having said that, the call was about setting an achievable number of priorities. If we can get cloud native apps & patterns into shape, then it may be more obvious how to "try" them. a On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lee Calcote via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: All, Given the CNCF’s role of promulgating a general understanding of what cloud native is, specifically how the projects governed by the CNCF provide platforms and tooling for cloud native applications, I think the “try” approach to providing easy-to-use, publically-available sandboxes is a true facilitator, couching edification of cloud native in context of the CNCF projects. The “try” sandboxes could: have walk-thru tutorials that parlay and reference the “model applications” Bryan Cantrill referred to. utilize part of the (idle?) 1000-node cluster for the CNCF community be leveraged as a platform for training courses and developer certification be a source of measuring interest, adoption, demographics A page could be taken from these successes LinuxContainers.org and TryStack.org (I’ll through in Cisco dCloud as well). I’m sure of the order of operations / speaking rules on the conference call. Apologies if I chimed-in out of turn today. Cheers, Lee “(c) Promotion of the underlying technologies, and approach to application definition and management, including: events and conferences, marketing (SEM, direct marketing), training courses and developer certification” _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc
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Camille Fournier #239 I got connected briefly with the folks making this: https://minimesos.org/ which is I think in the general ballpark. C toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: Jon, Noted, thanks. On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Boulle <jonathan.boulle@...> wrote: I'm not totally opposed to the try idea in principle or as an end goal - my lack of obvious enthusiasm was more about a) resources (who's going to do it?) I think we'd want to commission a 3rd party to do work, much as we talked about for some of the docs. and b) putting the cart before the horse - as Alexis alluded to I think we have some way to go before we have a clear enough idea of the model applications etc. Indeed. a On 2 June 2016 at 10:25, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: +1 Lee, I agree with you on this --- i.e that "try" services help in many ways. I was a bit surprised by the lack of buy-in during the call. Having said that, the call was about setting an achievable number of priorities. If we can get cloud native apps & patterns into shape, then it may be more obvious how to "try" them. a On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lee Calcote via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: All, Given the CNCF’s role of promulgating a general understanding of what cloud native is, specifically how the projects governed by the CNCF provide platforms and tooling for cloud native applications, I think the “try” approach to providing easy-to-use, publically-available sandboxes is a true facilitator, couching edification of cloud native in context of the CNCF projects. The “try” sandboxes could: have walk-thru tutorials that parlay and reference the “model applications” Bryan Cantrill referred to. utilize part of the (idle?) 1000-node cluster for the CNCF community be leveraged as a platform for training courses and developer certification be a source of measuring interest, adoption, demographics A page could be taken from these successes LinuxContainers.org and TryStack.org (I’ll through in Cisco dCloud as well). I’m sure of the order of operations / speaking rules on the conference call. Apologies if I chimed-in out of turn today. Cheers, Lee “(c) Promotion of the underlying technologies, and approach to application definition and management, including: events and conferences, marketing (SEM, direct marketing), training courses and developer certification” _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc
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alexis richardson #240 On Fri, 3 Jun 2016, 19:05 Camille Fournier, <skamille@...> wrote: I got connected briefly with the folks making this: https://minimesos.org/ which is I think in the general ballpark. they contacted me off list yesterday to say they are available i connected them with Dan K C On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: Jon, Noted, thanks. On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Boulle <jonathan.boulle@...> wrote: I'm not totally opposed to the try idea in principle or as an end goal - my lack of obvious enthusiasm was more about a) resources (who's going to do it?) I think we'd want to commission a 3rd party to do work, much as we talked about for some of the docs. and b) putting the cart before the horse - as Alexis alluded to I think we have some way to go before we have a clear enough idea of the model applications etc. Indeed. a On 2 June 2016 at 10:25, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: +1 Lee, I agree with you on this --- i.e that "try" services help in many ways. I was a bit surprised by the lack of buy-in during the call. Having said that, the call was about setting an achievable number of priorities. If we can get cloud native apps & patterns into shape, then it may be more obvious how to "try" them. a On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lee Calcote via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: All, Given the CNCF’s role of promulgating a general understanding of what cloud native is, specifically how the projects governed by the CNCF provide platforms and tooling for cloud native applications, I think the “try” approach to providing easy-to-use, publically-available sandboxes is a true facilitator, couching edification of cloud native in context of the CNCF projects. The “try” sandboxes could: have walk-thru tutorials that parlay and reference the “model applications” Bryan Cantrill referred to. utilize part of the (idle?) 1000-node cluster for the CNCF community be leveraged as a platform for training courses and developer certification be a source of measuring interest, adoption, demographics A page could be taken from these successes LinuxContainers.org and TryStack.org (I’ll through in Cisco dCloud as well). I’m sure of the order of operations / speaking rules on the conference call. Apologies if I chimed-in out of turn today. Cheers, Lee “(c) Promotion of the underlying technologies, and approach to application definition and management, including: events and conferences, marketing (SEM, direct marketing), training courses and developer certification” _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc
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Pini Reznik #241 We are available indeed. Will continue the conversation with Dan and Chris. Pini toggle quoted message Show quoted text On vr 3 jun. 2016 at 12:11, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2016, 19:05 Camille Fournier, <skamille@...> wrote: I got connected briefly with the folks making this: https://minimesos.org/ which is I think in the general ballpark. they contacted me off list yesterday to say they are available i connected them with Dan K C On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: Jon, Noted, thanks. On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Boulle <jonathan.boulle@...> wrote: I'm not totally opposed to the try idea in principle or as an end goal - my lack of obvious enthusiasm was more about a) resources (who's going to do it?) I think we'd want to commission a 3rd party to do work, much as we talked about for some of the docs. and b) putting the cart before the horse - as Alexis alluded to I think we have some way to go before we have a clear enough idea of the model applications etc. Indeed. a On 2 June 2016 at 10:25, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: +1 Lee, I agree with you on this --- i.e that "try" services help in many ways. I was a bit surprised by the lack of buy-in during the call. Having said that, the call was about setting an achievable number of priorities. If we can get cloud native apps & patterns into shape, then it may be more obvious how to "try" them. a On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lee Calcote via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: All, Given the CNCF’s role of promulgating a general understanding of what cloud native is, specifically how the projects governed by the CNCF provide platforms and tooling for cloud native applications, I think the “try” approach to providing easy-to-use, publically-available sandboxes is a true facilitator, couching edification of cloud native in context of the CNCF projects. The “try” sandboxes could: have walk-thru tutorials that parlay and reference the “model applications” Bryan Cantrill referred to. utilize part of the (idle?) 1000-node cluster for the CNCF community be leveraged as a platform for training courses and developer certification be a source of measuring interest, adoption, demographics A page could be taken from these successes LinuxContainers.org and TryStack.org (I’ll through in Cisco dCloud as well). I’m sure of the order of operations / speaking rules on the conference call. Apologies if I chimed-in out of turn today. Cheers, Lee “(c) Promotion of the underlying technologies, and approach to application definition and management, including: events and conferences, marketing (SEM, direct marketing), training courses and developer certification” _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc -- Pini Reznik CTO - Container Solutions Mobile: +31 (0) 6 317 99 811 Address: Korte Leidsedwarsstraat 12, 1017 RC Amsterdam @pini42 www.container-solutions.com
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Brian Grant #242 Pini, please keep me in the loop. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Pini Reznik via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: We are available indeed. Will continue the conversation with Dan and Chris. Pini On vr 3 jun. 2016 at 12:11, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2016, 19:05 Camille Fournier, <skamille@...> wrote: I got connected briefly with the folks making this: https://minimesos.org/ which is I think in the general ballpark. they contacted me off list yesterday to say they are available i connected them with Dan K C On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: Jon, Noted, thanks. On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Boulle <jonathan.boulle@...> wrote: I'm not totally opposed to the try idea in principle or as an end goal - my lack of obvious enthusiasm was more about a) resources (who's going to do it?) I think we'd want to commission a 3rd party to do work, much as we talked about for some of the docs. and b) putting the cart before the horse - as Alexis alluded to I think we have some way to go before we have a clear enough idea of the model applications etc. Indeed. a On 2 June 2016 at 10:25, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: +1 Lee, I agree with you on this --- i.e that "try" services help in many ways. I was a bit surprised by the lack of buy-in during the call. Having said that, the call was about setting an achievable number of priorities. If we can get cloud native apps & patterns into shape, then it may be more obvious how to "try" them. a On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lee Calcote via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: All, Given the CNCF’s role of promulgating a general understanding of what cloud native is, specifically how the projects governed by the CNCF provide platforms and tooling for cloud native applications, I think the “try” approach to providing easy-to-use, publically-available sandboxes is a true facilitator, couching edification of cloud native in context of the CNCF projects. The “try” sandboxes could: have walk-thru tutorials that parlay and reference the “model applications” Bryan Cantrill referred to. utilize part of the (idle?) 1000-node cluster for the CNCF community be leveraged as a platform for training courses and developer certification be a source of measuring interest, adoption, demographics A page could be taken from these successes LinuxContainers.org and TryStack.org (I’ll through in Cisco dCloud as well). I’m sure of the order of operations / speaking rules on the conference call. Apologies if I chimed-in out of turn today. Cheers, Lee “(c) Promotion of the underlying technologies, and approach to application definition and management, including: events and conferences, marketing (SEM, direct marketing), training courses and developer certification” _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc -- Pini Reznik CTO - Container Solutions Mobile: +31 (0) 6 317 99 811 Address: Korte Leidsedwarsstraat 12, 1017 RC Amsterdam @pini42 www.container-solutions.com _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc
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Pini Reznik #243 Of course Brian. We will just have a first call today. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On vr 3 jun. 2016 at 13:35, Brian Grant <briangrant@...> wrote: Pini, please keep me in the loop. On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Pini Reznik via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: We are available indeed. Will continue the conversation with Dan and Chris. Pini On vr 3 jun. 2016 at 12:11, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: On Fri, 3 Jun 2016, 19:05 Camille Fournier, <skamille@...> wrote: I got connected briefly with the folks making this: https://minimesos.org/ which is I think in the general ballpark. they contacted me off list yesterday to say they are available i connected them with Dan K C On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: Jon, Noted, thanks. On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Jonathan Boulle <jonathan.boulle@...> wrote: I'm not totally opposed to the try idea in principle or as an end goal - my lack of obvious enthusiasm was more about a) resources (who's going to do it?) I think we'd want to commission a 3rd party to do work, much as we talked about for some of the docs. and b) putting the cart before the horse - as Alexis alluded to I think we have some way to go before we have a clear enough idea of the model applications etc. Indeed. a On 2 June 2016 at 10:25, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: +1 Lee, I agree with you on this --- i.e that "try" services help in many ways. I was a bit surprised by the lack of buy-in during the call. Having said that, the call was about setting an achievable number of priorities. If we can get cloud native apps & patterns into shape, then it may be more obvious how to "try" them. a On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Lee Calcote via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: All, Given the CNCF’s role of promulgating a general understanding of what cloud native is, specifically how the projects governed by the CNCF provide platforms and tooling for cloud native applications, I think the “try” approach to providing easy-to-use, publically-available sandboxes is a true facilitator, couching edification of cloud native in context of the CNCF projects. The “try” sandboxes could: have walk-thru tutorials that parlay and reference the “model applications” Bryan Cantrill referred to. utilize part of the (idle?) 1000-node cluster for the CNCF community be leveraged as a platform for training courses and developer certification be a source of measuring interest, adoption, demographics A page could be taken from these successes LinuxContainers.org and TryStack.org (I’ll through in Cisco dCloud as well). I’m sure of the order of operations / speaking rules on the conference call. Apologies if I chimed-in out of turn today. Cheers, Lee “(c) Promotion of the underlying technologies, and approach to application definition and management, including: events and conferences, marketing (SEM, direct marketing), training courses and developer certification” _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc -- Pini Reznik CTO - Container Solutions Mobile: +31 (0) 6 317 99 811 Address: Korte Leidsedwarsstraat 12, 1017 RC Amsterdam @pini42 www.container-solutions.com _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc -- Pini Reznik CTO - Container Solutions Mobile: +31 (0) 6 317 99 811 Address: Korte Leidsedwarsstraat 12, 1017 RC Amsterdam @pini42 www.container-solutions.com
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