VOTE "incubation principle"


Elissa Murphy <elissam@...>
 

+1

Thx,
e

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Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] VOTE "incubation principle"

oh well in that case:

YES

now we are six.


On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Sarah Saul <ssaul@...> wrote:
Just recapping the current vote for record keeping purposes.

Binding TOC votes:

Non-binding community votes:



On Mon, May 9, 2016 12:55 PM, Alexis Richardson alexis@... wrote:
Sarah

Please could you summarise the votes to date.

a

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Sarah Saul via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Hello TOC members,

Friendly reminder to vote on the “incubation principle” if you haven't already done so. We have 5 out of the 9 TOC votes.

+1 (non binding)

Best,
Sarah


On Fri, May 6, 2016 11:08 AM, Brian Grant via cncf-toc cncf-toc@... wrote:
YES

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:


TOC voters,

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the “incubation principle” via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”
----

FYI: Stemmed from the April 13th discussion: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-April/000131.html


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alexis richardson
 

Matt,

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Matt T. Proud ⚔ <matt.proud@...> wrote:
This is sensible as a safety mechanism.  I appreciate the consideration.

Thanks.

 

Apologies if it has been defined elsewhere, but has a standard period/duration been prescribed for the incubation period, or is the promotion to be proposed on an ad hoc basis?  Also: what is the notice period between proposal of promotion and its effectuation, if at all?

We are still working on these things.

FWIW, I don't think it will be possible to presuppose a single duration.  I would hope we can avoid the antipattern where a project get stuck in perpetual incubation.  




On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:02 PM Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
oh well in that case:

YES

now we are six.


On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Sarah Saul <ssaul@...> wrote:
Just recapping the current vote for record keeping purposes.

Binding TOC votes:

Non-binding community votes:



On Mon, May 9, 2016 12:55 PM, Alexis Richardson alexis@... wrote:
Sarah

Please could you summarise the votes to date.

a

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Sarah Saul via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Hello TOC members,

Friendly reminder to vote on the “incubation principle” if you haven't already done so. We have 5 out of the 9 TOC votes.

+1 (non binding)

Best,
Sarah


On Fri, May 6, 2016 11:08 AM, Brian Grant via cncf-toc cncf-toc@... wrote:
YES

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:


TOC voters,

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the “incubation principle” via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”
----

FYI: Stemmed from the April 13th discussion: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-April/000131.html


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Matt T. Proud
 

This is sensible as a safety mechanism.  I appreciate the consideration.

Apologies if it has been defined elsewhere, but has a standard period/duration been prescribed for the incubation period, or is the promotion to be proposed on an ad hoc basis?  Also: what is the notice period between proposal of promotion and its effectuation, if at all?

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:02 PM Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
oh well in that case:

YES

now we are six.


On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Sarah Saul <ssaul@...> wrote:
Just recapping the current vote for record keeping purposes.

Binding TOC votes:

Non-binding community votes:



On Mon, May 9, 2016 12:55 PM, Alexis Richardson alexis@... wrote:
Sarah

Please could you summarise the votes to date.

a

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Sarah Saul via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Hello TOC members,

Friendly reminder to vote on the “incubation principle” if you haven't already done so. We have 5 out of the 9 TOC votes.

+1 (non binding)

Best,
Sarah


On Fri, May 6, 2016 11:08 AM, Brian Grant via cncf-toc cncf-toc@... wrote:
YES

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:


TOC voters,

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the “incubation principle” via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”
----

FYI: Stemmed from the April 13th discussion: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-April/000131.html


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alexis richardson
 

oh well in that case:

YES

now we are six.


On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Sarah Saul <ssaul@...> wrote:
Just recapping the current vote for record keeping purposes.

Binding TOC votes:

Non-binding community votes:



On Mon, May 9, 2016 12:55 PM, Alexis Richardson alexis@... wrote:
Sarah

Please could you summarise the votes to date.

a

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Sarah Saul via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Hello TOC members,

Friendly reminder to vote on the “incubation principle” if you haven't already done so. We have 5 out of the 9 TOC votes.

+1 (non binding)

Best,
Sarah


On Fri, May 6, 2016 11:08 AM, Brian Grant via cncf-toc cncf-toc@... wrote:
YES

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:


TOC voters,

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the “incubation principle” via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”
----

FYI: Stemmed from the April 13th discussion: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-April/000131.html


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Sarah Saul <ssaul@...>
 

Just recapping the current vote for record keeping purposes.

Binding TOC votes:
+1 Ben Hindman: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-May/000196.html
+1 Ken Owens: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-May/000197.html
+1 Jonathan Boulle: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-May/000199.html
+1 Camille Fournier: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-May/000200.html
+1 Brian Grant: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-May/000201.html

Non-binding community votes:
+1 Sarah Saul: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-May/000202.html



On Mon, May 9, 2016 12:55 PM, Alexis Richardson alexis@... wrote:
Sarah

Please could you summarise the votes to date.

a

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Sarah Saul via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Hello TOC members,

Friendly reminder to vote on the “incubation principle” if you haven't already done so. We have 5 out of the 9 TOC votes.

+1 (non binding)

Best,
Sarah


On Fri, May 6, 2016 11:08 AM, Brian Grant via cncf-toc cncf-toc@... wrote:
YES

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:


TOC voters,

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the “incubation principle” via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”
----

FYI: Stemmed from the April 13th discussion: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-April/000131.html


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alexis richardson
 

Sarah

Please could you summarise the votes to date.

a

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Sarah Saul via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Hello TOC members,

Friendly reminder to vote on the “incubation principle” if you haven't already done so. We have 5 out of the 9 TOC votes.

+1 (non binding)

Best,
Sarah


On Fri, May 6, 2016 11:08 AM, Brian Grant via cncf-toc cncf-toc@... wrote:
YES

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:


TOC voters,

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the "incubation principle" via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”
----

FYI: Stemmed from the April 13th discussion: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-April/000131.html


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Sarah Saul <ssaul@...>
 

Hello TOC members,

Friendly reminder to vote on the “incubation principle” if you haven't already done so. We have 5 out of the 9 TOC votes.

+1 (non binding)

Best,
Sarah


On Fri, May 6, 2016 11:08 AM, Brian Grant via cncf-toc cncf-toc@... wrote:
YES

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:


TOC voters,

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the "incubation principle" via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”
----

FYI: Stemmed from the April 13th discussion: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-April/000131.html


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Brian Grant
 

YES

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:


TOC voters,

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the "incubation principle" via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”
----

FYI: Stemmed from the April 13th discussion: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-April/000131.html


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Camille Fournier
 

+1

On May 6, 2016 7:05 AM, "Jonathan Boulle via cncf-toc" <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
+1

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:


TOC voters,

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the "incubation principle" via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”
----

FYI: Stemmed from the April 13th discussion: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-April/000131.html


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Jonathan Boulle <jonathan.boulle@...>
 

+1

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:09 PM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:


TOC voters,

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the "incubation principle" via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”
----

FYI: Stemmed from the April 13th discussion: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-April/000131.html


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YES

 

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TOC voters,

 

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the "incubation principle" via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”

----

 

FYI: Stemmed from the April 13th discussion: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-April/000131.html

 


Benjamin Hindman
 

+1!

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:


TOC voters,

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the "incubation principle" via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”
----

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alexis richardson
 



TOC voters,

Per our call this week, we wish to record support for the "incubation principle" via a vote on a formal statement.

Please indicate your vote on when a project is promoted from Incubation by saying YES or NO. Today we are seeking unanimous support, from all TOC voting members, for the following statement. If this vote is passed then we shall record the principle in appropriate venues such as the CNCF development process (which is still being worked out). 

alexis

----
“1. The time when becoming a CNCF Project is irrevocable is when a project is promoted from Incubation

2. Prior to this a project may choose to leave, or be asked to leave.

The TOC might change this rule in the future but for now it has a clear rationale: it enables new projects to have a safety valve. Before the TOC has finalised its modus operandi and how we help CNCF projects, we want projects to join CNCF and help us shape our model. So we are asking projects to join despite this uncertainty. In return we provide a safety valve.”
----

FYI: Stemmed from the April 13th discussion: http://lists.cncf.io/pipermail/cncf-toc/2016-April/000131.html