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Are private DD acceptable by TOC?

Kiran Mova
 

Hi Matt, TOC

Just starting another thread as this is not related to Contour. 

I was under the impression that only the public Adopter.md will be considered. 

Are there any guidelines on when TOC will opt for a private DD? How to initiate such a request and are project maintainers involved in the process?

Thanks
Kiran


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:57 AM Matt Klein <mattklein123@...> wrote:
Here is the public DD doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IIUDRch-8EEbcSFVK4sNL6Op5QJkIBrJi4SwbBjXiXU/edit

In terms of my private DD, I ran interviews with a few very large enterprise users to gauge their experience with the project. None of these users are willing to talk publicly. Though there were some issues raised (mainly around change velocity and getting things fixed upstream), none of them raised any flags for me at the incubation level.

Overall I think Contour meets the incubation bar and is a useful addition to the ecosystem as an Envoy based K8s ingress controller.

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:57 AM Quinton Hoole <quinton@...> wrote:
Is there a record of Matt's due diligence somewhere? 

On Tue, May 26, 2020, 10:39 Amye Scavarda Perrin <ascavarda@...> wrote:
Contour has applied to join as an incubating project, https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/330.
Matt Klein of the TOC has performed due diligence.

Please vote (+1/0/-1) by replying to this thread.

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

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Amye Scavarda Perrin | Program Manager | amye@...
alexis richardson
 

If a big production user will provide a testimonial for DD purposes,
it is acceptable for them to request that it not be made public. If
so then the TOC (who vote) can see it to verify that the criterion of
production use is being met.

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 4:30 PM Kiran Mova <kiran.mova@...> wrote:

Hi Matt, TOC

Just starting another thread as this is not related to Contour.

I was under the impression that only the public Adopter.md will be considered.

Are there any guidelines on when TOC will opt for a private DD? How to initiate such a request and are project maintainers involved in the process?

Thanks
Kiran

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Kiran Mova | Co-Founder, Chief Architect MayaData | kiran.mova@...
https://github.com/openebs/openebs


On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:57 AM Matt Klein <mattklein123@...> wrote:

Here is the public DD doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IIUDRch-8EEbcSFVK4sNL6Op5QJkIBrJi4SwbBjXiXU/edit

In terms of my private DD, I ran interviews with a few very large enterprise users to gauge their experience with the project. None of these users are willing to talk publicly. Though there were some issues raised (mainly around change velocity and getting things fixed upstream), none of them raised any flags for me at the incubation level.

Overall I think Contour meets the incubation bar and is a useful addition to the ecosystem as an Envoy based K8s ingress controller.

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:57 AM Quinton Hoole <quinton@...> wrote:

Is there a record of Matt's due diligence somewhere?

On Tue, May 26, 2020, 10:39 Amye Scavarda Perrin <ascavarda@...> wrote:

Contour has applied to join as an incubating project, https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/330.
Matt Klein of the TOC has performed due diligence.

Please vote (+1/0/-1) by replying to this thread.

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

--
Amye Scavarda Perrin | Program Manager | amye@...
Matt Klein
 

What Alexis said. It's not always reasonable/possible to only go off of what use is publicly mentioned.

Granted, this really comes back to the quality of production use being "at the discretion of the TOC." Speaking for myself only, I think by graduation there should be enough publicly known production use that it's obvious, but that's not always the case at incubation.

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:22 AM Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
If a big production user will provide a testimonial for DD purposes,
it is acceptable for them to request that it not be made public.  If
so then the TOC (who vote) can see it to verify that the criterion of
production use is being met.

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 4:30 PM Kiran Mova <kiran.mova@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt, TOC
>
> Just starting another thread as this is not related to Contour.
>
> I was under the impression that only the public Adopter.md will be considered.
>
> Are there any guidelines on when TOC will opt for a private DD? How to initiate such a request and are project maintainers involved in the process?
>
> Thanks
> Kiran
>
> --
> Kiran Mova  | Co-Founder, Chief Architect MayaData  | kiran.mova@...
> https://github.com/openebs/openebs
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 12:57 AM Matt Klein <mattklein123@...> wrote:
>>
>> Here is the public DD doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IIUDRch-8EEbcSFVK4sNL6Op5QJkIBrJi4SwbBjXiXU/edit
>>
>> In terms of my private DD, I ran interviews with a few very large enterprise users to gauge their experience with the project. None of these users are willing to talk publicly. Though there were some issues raised (mainly around change velocity and getting things fixed upstream), none of them raised any flags for me at the incubation level.
>>
>> Overall I think Contour meets the incubation bar and is a useful addition to the ecosystem as an Envoy based K8s ingress controller.
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:57 AM Quinton Hoole <quinton@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a record of Matt's due diligence somewhere?
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 26, 2020, 10:39 Amye Scavarda Perrin <ascavarda@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Contour has applied to join as an incubating project, https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/330.
>>>> Matt Klein of the TOC has performed due diligence.
>>>>
>>>> Please vote (+1/0/-1) by replying to this thread.
>>>>
>>>> Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Amye Scavarda Perrin | Program Manager | amye@...
>

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