On Dec 2, 2019, at 12:53 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:

Yep, that's correct Saad:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/process/sandbox.md#clarifying-marketing-expectations

As a CNCF member, they are able to do webinars based on our webinar program which is more inclusive than our other media options:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1idU01WYvtsrf4MTgEcaHvF-Ix-IERPrRbR5G4kLoUaE/edit#slide=id.g39732dd4d0_0_0

There are no rules there that preclude mention of sandbox projects like our blog guidelines:

https://github.com/cncf/foundation/blob/master/blog-guidelines.md

A simple fix would be to update the webinar guidelines to be in more line with the blog guidelines.

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 1:45 PM Saad Ali via Lists.Cncf.Io <saadali=google.com@...> wrote:

Hey CNCF TOC,

I wanted to bring this up to you as a follow up on this thread.

We concluded on that thread "the CNCF Sandbox does not represent an endorsement by the CNCF of a project. It is a place to nurture new projects that may graduate to `endorsed` CNCF projects."

The email attached below is the kind of thing that I was worried about. While we said that sandbox products are not endorsed by the CNCF. After getting in to the CNCF Sandbox, OpenEBS is able to host webinars, send mass marketing emails to all CNCF members and all these things look very official and very much like a CNCF endorsement.

I don't have a problem with OpenEBS, they are just doing what makes sense for their business.

My concern is that we, the CNCF, have a very low bar for entry for the Sandbox which is being exploited.

I don't know what the best way to fix this is: should CNCF have stricter rules around marketing sandbox projects? should we have different branding (not including "CNCF" for Sandbox)? 

Open to thoughts.

Regards,

Saad Ali

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From: Cloud Native Computing Foundation <no-reply@...>
Date: Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:01 AM
Subject: CNCF webinars this week
To: <saadali@...>

Did you know ... you can view all the CNCF recorded webinars and upcoming webinars on our webinar page? Using Envoy Proxy as Your Gateway to Service Mesh December 4, 2019 10am PT (UTC-8) Register » Kubernetes storage is more than CSI - Do it right the OpenEBS way December 5, 2019 9am PT (UTC-8) Register » Using Envoy Proxy as Your Gateway to Service Mesh December 4, 2019 - 10am PT (UTC-8) Kubernetes and Service Mesh are patterns in building new applications that decouple dependencies between the application code, infrastructure and how the services should communicate. With microservices, the network becomes critical for a properly functioning application teams need to consider both North / South traffic (incoming requests from end users to the cluster) and East / West (intra cluster) communication between the services. In this talk we will explain how Envoy Proxy works in Kubernetes as a proxy for both of these traffic directions and how it can be leveraged with Gloo to do things like traffic shaping, security, and integrate the north/south to east/west behavior. Learn more about Role of Envoy Proxy from Edge to Service Mesh Guidance on incremental adoption of proxies in your environment Gloo as Envoy Proxy control plane for managing ingress Connecting Ingress to Service Mesh for security and observability New opportunities in application resilience with Service Mesh Presented by solo.io. Register » Kubernetes storage is more than CSI - Do it right the OpenEBS way December 5, 2019 - 9am PT (UTC-8) Stateless applications are frequently very agile in K8s while stateful applications are not. OpenEBS is a solution for containerizeing data and abstracting the storage layer so that your Kubernetes applications just work. We’re a CNCF Sandbox project with a strong community of around 1750 members that provides persistent and containerized block storage for DevOps and container environments. In this webinar, we will cover how to easily get started with OpenEBS, deploy your stateful applications and make them replicated and portable across your clusters, availability zones, and clouds.  We will also discuss the latest features and how to set OpenEBS up with platforms like AWS, D2iQ Konvoy, Red Hat Openshift Operator Hub, Rancher and other platforms. Agenda: The problem with persistent applications in K8s and how OpenEBS solves it  Deploying OpenEBS in 30 seconds Top Use Cases  Demo  Roadmap Q&A Get started and Support Presented by MayaData Register » This email was sent by: Cloud Native Computing Foundation 1 Letterman Dr., Building D San Francisco, CA, 94129, United States Update Profile or UnSubscribe The Linux Foundation

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