Congrats and Questions!


Davanum Srinivas
 

Hi,

Congrats to all the folks on the brand-new TOC! :) I spotted a few concerns in the community around the TOC election and wanted to see if anyone had thoughts about them. 

One was around diversity and the other one was the electorate that gets to vote in the TOC election. Please see examples [1][2][3][4]. 

Thanks,
Dims


Chris Aniszczyk
 

We plan on bringing this up in the next TOC meeting on Feb 5th (next Tuesday)


On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:
Hi,

Congrats to all the folks on the brand-new TOC! :) I spotted a few concerns in the community around the TOC election and wanted to see if anyone had thoughts about them. 

One was around diversity and the other one was the electorate that gets to vote in the TOC election. Please see examples [1][2][3][4]. 

Thanks,
Dims



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Stephen Watt
 

Is the CNCF trying to create a path for TOC Contributors to grow into the TOC? I think its a good thing when folks who are consistently showing up and doing the work are rewarded for it. If we want TOC contributors to stick around, might I suggest that we think carefully about how we make sure they are not squeezed out come election time by new candidates showing up at the 11th hour?


On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
We plan on bringing this up in the next TOC meeting on Feb 5th (next Tuesday)

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:
Hi,

Congrats to all the folks on the brand-new TOC! :) I spotted a few concerns in the community around the TOC election and wanted to see if anyone had thoughts about them. 

One was around diversity and the other one was the electorate that gets to vote in the TOC election. Please see examples [1][2][3][4]. 

Thanks,
Dims



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Chris Aniszczyk
 

Short answer is yes and this path exists somewhat already, many CNCF members did end up nominating contributors, of the 30+ nominees many of them were already TOC Contributors. It was very competitive this time around: https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?num_winners=6&id=E_c93ca3b3af0efa64&rkey=2a4b133473e1255c&algorithm=runoff

There are some thoughts long term to diversify representation of the seats (may include more end user and maintainer representation), but we plan carving out a time next Tuesday at the TOC meeting to discuss this with the wider community and share the initial TOC thoughts.


On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:03 PM Stephen Watt <swatt@...> wrote:
Is the CNCF trying to create a path for TOC Contributors to grow into the TOC? I think its a good thing when folks who are consistently showing up and doing the work are rewarded for it. If we want TOC contributors to stick around, might I suggest that we think carefully about how we make sure they are not squeezed out come election time by new candidates showing up at the 11th hour?

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
We plan on bringing this up in the next TOC meeting on Feb 5th (next Tuesday)

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:
Hi,

Congrats to all the folks on the brand-new TOC! :) I spotted a few concerns in the community around the TOC election and wanted to see if anyone had thoughts about them. 

One was around diversity and the other one was the electorate that gets to vote in the TOC election. Please see examples [1][2][3][4]. 

Thanks,
Dims



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Brian Grant
 

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 7:03 AM Stephen Watt <swatt@...> wrote:
Is the CNCF trying to create a path for TOC Contributors to grow into the TOC? I think its a good thing when folks who are consistently showing up and doing the work are rewarded for it. If we want TOC contributors to stick around, might I suggest that we think carefully about how we make sure they are not squeezed out come election time by new candidates showing up at the 11th hour?

The short answer is yes. But so far, just for the TOC-elected seats. A TOC Contributor did previously win a TOC-elected TOC seat.

I would like to see a change in distribution who votes for the TOC seats. For example:
  • 3 by GB (currently 6)
  • 2 by TOC (currently 2)
  • 2 by End user group (currently 1)
  • 2 by project maintainers (current 0)
Also, it was a bug that initial terms were not staggered, which is why so many seats were up for election at the same time. That issue has been addressed.
 

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
We plan on bringing this up in the next TOC meeting on Feb 5th (next Tuesday)

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:
Hi,

Congrats to all the folks on the brand-new TOC! :) I spotted a few concerns in the community around the TOC election and wanted to see if anyone had thoughts about them. 

One was around diversity and the other one was the electorate that gets to vote in the TOC election. Please see examples [1][2][3][4]. 

Thanks,
Dims



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alexis richardson
 

Stephen

This came up indirectly at the Kubecon 'meet the TOC' session, when Jaice asked what we are doing to make the TOC more diverse.  Several people responded.  One idea, that I have high hopes for, is that SIGs will create a way for ALL people to contribute more and achieve more.  I think this will overall make TOC Contribution more of a Thing.

alexis






On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:03 PM Stephen Watt <swatt@...> wrote:
Is the CNCF trying to create a path for TOC Contributors to grow into the TOC? I think its a good thing when folks who are consistently showing up and doing the work are rewarded for it. If we want TOC contributors to stick around, might I suggest that we think carefully about how we make sure they are not squeezed out come election time by new candidates showing up at the 11th hour?

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
We plan on bringing this up in the next TOC meeting on Feb 5th (next Tuesday)

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:
Hi,

Congrats to all the folks on the brand-new TOC! :) I spotted a few concerns in the community around the TOC election and wanted to see if anyone had thoughts about them. 

One was around diversity and the other one was the electorate that gets to vote in the TOC election. Please see examples [1][2][3][4]. 

Thanks,
Dims



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Stephen Watt
 

Thanks for the feedback all!


On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:11 AM Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Stephen

This came up indirectly at the Kubecon 'meet the TOC' session, when Jaice asked what we are doing to make the TOC more diverse.  Several people responded.  One idea, that I have high hopes for, is that SIGs will create a way for ALL people to contribute more and achieve more.  I think this will overall make TOC Contribution more of a Thing.

alexis






On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:03 PM Stephen Watt <swatt@...> wrote:
Is the CNCF trying to create a path for TOC Contributors to grow into the TOC? I think its a good thing when folks who are consistently showing up and doing the work are rewarded for it. If we want TOC contributors to stick around, might I suggest that we think carefully about how we make sure they are not squeezed out come election time by new candidates showing up at the 11th hour?

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 8:55 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
We plan on bringing this up in the next TOC meeting on Feb 5th (next Tuesday)

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:
Hi,

Congrats to all the folks on the brand-new TOC! :) I spotted a few concerns in the community around the TOC election and wanted to see if anyone had thoughts about them. 

One was around diversity and the other one was the electorate that gets to vote in the TOC election. Please see examples [1][2][3][4]. 

Thanks,
Dims



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