Question on sandbox projects


Luis Pab?n
 

Hi all,
  While creating a CFP for Kubecon/Seattle I noticed that sandbox projects get first level choices in the Kubecon CFP. Does this apply to any sandbox project? Will the CNCF continue with this model if we have many sandbox projects?

Regards,

- Luis


Chris Aniszczyk
 

This is a question more for CNCF staff based on the marketing expectations of sandbox projects:

I'm assuming you mean the alphabetical list of CNCF projects?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Luis Pab?n <luis@...> wrote:
Hi all,
  While creating a CFP for Kubecon/Seattle I noticed that sandbox projects get first level choices in the Kubecon CFP. Does this apply to any sandbox project? Will the CNCF continue with this model if we have many sandbox projects?

Regards,

- Luis




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Luis Pab?n
 

Correct.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
This is a question more for CNCF staff based on the marketing expectations of sandbox projects:

I'm assuming you mean the alphabetical list of CNCF projects?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Luis Pab?n <luis@...> wrote:
Hi all,
  While creating a CFP for Kubecon/Seattle I noticed that sandbox projects get first level choices in the Kubecon CFP. Does this apply to any sandbox project? Will the CNCF continue with this model if we have many sandbox projects?

Regards,

- Luis




--
Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719


Chris Aniszczyk
 

I don't see an issue with listing the projects in alphabetic order outside that it should be a series of checkboxes instead of radio buttons (we will fix that soon).

The TOC list is meant for technical discussions so if you have something you'd like to change about the CFP form, please email events@... for suggestions and we can have a discussion there.

Thanks.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Luis Pabon <luis@...> wrote:
Correct.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
This is a question more for CNCF staff based on the marketing expectations of sandbox projects:

I'm assuming you mean the alphabetical list of CNCF projects?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Luis Pab?n <luis@...> wrote:
Hi all,
  While creating a CFP for Kubecon/Seattle I noticed that sandbox projects get first level choices in the Kubecon CFP. Does this apply to any sandbox project? Will the CNCF continue with this model if we have many sandbox projects?

Regards,

- Luis




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Quinton Hoole
 

This topic has already come up several times in the ToC.  We explicitly decided that a very clear distinction should always be drawn between sandbox, incubation and graduated projects in external-facing communication.  It doesn’t sound like an alphabetical list mixing all of the projects together meets that goal.

Extract from sandbox.md, which I think needs to be strengthened to meet the above goals.

Some key points:

  • Sandbox projects will be listed separately from other CNCF projects (cncf.io/sandbox)
  • They will not be prominently listed at our events or issued a press release
Quinton


From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:18
To: Luis Pabon <luis@...>
Cc: CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

I don't see an issue with listing the projects in alphabetic order outside that it should be a series of checkboxes instead of radio buttons (we will fix that soon).

The TOC list is meant for technical discussions so if you have something you'd like to change about the CFP form, please email events@... for suggestions and we can have a discussion there.

Thanks.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Luis Pabon <luis@...> wrote:
Correct.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
This is a question more for CNCF staff based on the marketing expectations of sandbox projects:

I'm assuming you mean the alphabetical list of CNCF projects?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Luis Pab?n <luis@...> wrote:
Hi all,
  While creating a CFP for Kubecon/Seattle I noticed that sandbox projects get first level choices in the Kubecon CFP. Does this apply to any sandbox project? Will the CNCF continue with this model if we have many sandbox projects?

Regards,

- Luis




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Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719




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Chris Aniszczyk
 

We can annotate each listing with the project maturity level, that's my proposed solution moving forward.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...> wrote:
This topic has already come up several times in the ToC.  We explicitly decided that a very clear distinction should always be drawn between sandbox, incubation and graduated projects in external-facing communication.  It doesn’t sound like an alphabetical list mixing all of the projects together meets that goal.

Extract from sandbox.md, which I think needs to be strengthened to meet the above goals.

Some key points:

  • Sandbox projects will be listed separately from other CNCF projects (cncf.io/sandbox)
  • They will not be prominently listed at our events or issued a press release
Quinton


From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:18
To: Luis Pabon <luis@...>
Cc: CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

I don't see an issue with listing the projects in alphabetic order outside that it should be a series of checkboxes instead of radio buttons (we will fix that soon).

The TOC list is meant for technical discussions so if you have something you'd like to change about the CFP form, please email events@... for suggestions and we can have a discussion there.

Thanks.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Luis Pabon <luis@...> wrote:
Correct.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g> wrote:
This is a question more for CNCF staff based on the marketing expectations of sandbox projects:

I'm assuming you mean the alphabetical list of CNCF projects?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Luis Pab?n <luis@...> wrote:
Hi all,
  While creating a CFP for Kubecon/Seattle I noticed that sandbox projects get first level choices in the Kubecon CFP. Does this apply to any sandbox project? Will the CNCF continue with this model if we have many sandbox projects?

Regards,

- Luis




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Quinton Hoole
 

OK, I’m suggesting the opposite – three clearly separate lists – graduated, incubating, sandbox

If I’m the only one who feel strongly on this I’m happy to step down off my soapbox.  But I remember other TOC members having similarly strong feelings on the matter.  Brian Cantril, Camille and Alexis come to mind?

Q

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:28
To: Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...>
Cc: Luis Pabon <luis@...>, CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

We can annotate each listing with the project maturity level, that's my proposed solution moving forward.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...> wrote:
This topic has already come up several times in the ToC.  We explicitly decided that a very clear distinction should always be drawn between sandbox, incubation and graduated projects in external-facing communication.  It doesn’t sound like an alphabetical list mixing all of the projects together meets that goal.

Extract from sandbox.md, which I think needs to be strengthened to meet the above goals.

Some key points:

  • Sandbox projects will be listed separately from other CNCF projects (cncf.io/sandbox)
  • They will not be prominently listed at our events or issued a press release
Quinton


From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:18
To: Luis Pabon <luis@...>
Cc: CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

I don't see an issue with listing the projects in alphabetic order outside that it should be a series of checkboxes instead of radio buttons (we will fix that soon).

The TOC list is meant for technical discussions so if you have something you'd like to change about the CFP form, please email events@... for suggestions and we can have a discussion there.

Thanks.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Luis Pabon <luis@...> wrote:
Correct.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g> wrote:
This is a question more for CNCF staff based on the marketing expectations of sandbox projects:

I'm assuming you mean the alphabetical list of CNCF projects?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Luis Pab?n <luis@...> wrote:
Hi all,
  While creating a CFP for Kubecon/Seattle I noticed that sandbox projects get first level choices in the Kubecon CFP. Does this apply to any sandbox project? Will the CNCF continue with this model if we have many sandbox projects?

Regards,

- Luis




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alexis richardson
 

Yes I agree with Quinton


On Thu, 9 Aug 2018, 21:53 Quinton Hoole, <quinton.hoole@...> wrote:
OK, I’m suggesting the opposite – three clearly separate lists – graduated, incubating, sandbox

If I’m the only one who feel strongly on this I’m happy to step down off my soapbox.  But I remember other TOC members having similarly strong feelings on the matter.  Brian Cantril, Camille and Alexis come to mind?

Q

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:28
To: Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...>
Cc: Luis Pabon <luis@...>, CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>

Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

We can annotate each listing with the project maturity level, that's my proposed solution moving forward.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...> wrote:
This topic has already come up several times in the ToC.  We explicitly decided that a very clear distinction should always be drawn between sandbox, incubation and graduated projects in external-facing communication.  It doesn’t sound like an alphabetical list mixing all of the projects together meets that goal.

Extract from sandbox.md, which I think needs to be strengthened to meet the above goals.

Some key points:

  • Sandbox projects will be listed separately from other CNCF projects (cncf.io/sandbox)
  • They will not be prominently listed at our events or issued a press release
Quinton


From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:18
To: Luis Pabon <luis@...>
Cc: CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

I don't see an issue with listing the projects in alphabetic order outside that it should be a series of checkboxes instead of radio buttons (we will fix that soon).

The TOC list is meant for technical discussions so if you have something you'd like to change about the CFP form, please email events@... for suggestions and we can have a discussion there.

Thanks.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Luis Pabon <luis@...> wrote:
Correct.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
This is a question more for CNCF staff based on the marketing expectations of sandbox projects:

I'm assuming you mean the alphabetical list of CNCF projects?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Luis Pab?n <luis@...> wrote:
Hi all,
  While creating a CFP for Kubecon/Seattle I noticed that sandbox projects get first level choices in the Kubecon CFP. Does this apply to any sandbox project? Will the CNCF continue with this model if we have many sandbox projects?

Regards,

- Luis




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Chris Aniszczyk
 

At the moment, we are limited to what the CFP tool is capable of doing, so we only have a list.

We have updated the list of projects to label their relative maturity level in the CFP system.

For future CFPs, we will see if we can do what you have suggested.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...> wrote:
OK, I’m suggesting the opposite – three clearly separate lists – graduated, incubating, sandbox

If I’m the only one who feel strongly on this I’m happy to step down off my soapbox.  But I remember other TOC members having similarly strong feelings on the matter.  Brian Cantril, Camille and Alexis come to mind?

Q

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:28
To: Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...>
Cc: Luis Pabon <luis@...>, CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

We can annotate each listing with the project maturity level, that's my proposed solution moving forward.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...> wrote:
This topic has already come up several times in the ToC.  We explicitly decided that a very clear distinction should always be drawn between sandbox, incubation and graduated projects in external-facing communication.  It doesn’t sound like an alphabetical list mixing all of the projects together meets that goal.

Extract from sandbox.md, which I think needs to be strengthened to meet the above goals.

Some key points:

  • Sandbox projects will be listed separately from other CNCF projects (cncf.io/sandbox)
  • They will not be prominently listed at our events or issued a press release
Quinton


From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:18
To: Luis Pabon <luis@...>
Cc: CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

I don't see an issue with listing the projects in alphabetic order outside that it should be a series of checkboxes instead of radio buttons (we will fix that soon).

The TOC list is meant for technical discussions so if you have something you'd like to change about the CFP form, please email events@... for suggestions and we can have a discussion there.

Thanks.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Luis Pabon <luis@...> wrote:
Correct.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g> wrote:
This is a question more for CNCF staff based on the marketing expectations of sandbox projects:

I'm assuming you mean the alphabetical list of CNCF projects?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Luis Pab?n <luis@...> wrote:
Hi all,
  While creating a CFP for Kubecon/Seattle I noticed that sandbox projects get first level choices in the Kubecon CFP. Does this apply to any sandbox project? Will the CNCF continue with this model if we have many sandbox projects?

Regards,

- Luis




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Chris Aniszczyk
 

and of course I posted the wrong screenshot sigh: 




On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
At the moment, we are limited to what the CFP tool is capable of doing, so we only have a list.

We have updated the list of projects to label their relative maturity level in the CFP system.

For future CFPs, we will see if we can do what you have suggested.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...> wrote:
OK, I’m suggesting the opposite – three clearly separate lists – graduated, incubating, sandbox

If I’m the only one who feel strongly on this I’m happy to step down off my soapbox.  But I remember other TOC members having similarly strong feelings on the matter.  Brian Cantril, Camille and Alexis come to mind?

Q

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:28
To: Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...>
Cc: Luis Pabon <luis@...>, CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

We can annotate each listing with the project maturity level, that's my proposed solution moving forward.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...> wrote:
This topic has already come up several times in the ToC.  We explicitly decided that a very clear distinction should always be drawn between sandbox, incubation and graduated projects in external-facing communication.  It doesn’t sound like an alphabetical list mixing all of the projects together meets that goal.

Extract from sandbox.md, which I think needs to be strengthened to meet the above goals.

Some key points:

  • Sandbox projects will be listed separately from other CNCF projects (cncf.io/sandbox)
  • They will not be prominently listed at our events or issued a press release
Quinton


From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:18
To: Luis Pabon <luis@...>
Cc: CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

I don't see an issue with listing the projects in alphabetic order outside that it should be a series of checkboxes instead of radio buttons (we will fix that soon).

The TOC list is meant for technical discussions so if you have something you'd like to change about the CFP form, please email events@... for suggestions and we can have a discussion there.

Thanks.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Luis Pabon <luis@...> wrote:
Correct.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g> wrote:
This is a question more for CNCF staff based on the marketing expectations of sandbox projects:

I'm assuming you mean the alphabetical list of CNCF projects?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Luis Pab?n <luis@...> wrote:
Hi all,
  While creating a CFP for Kubecon/Seattle I noticed that sandbox projects get first level choices in the Kubecon CFP. Does this apply to any sandbox project? Will the CNCF continue with this model if we have many sandbox projects?

Regards,

- Luis




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Chris Aniszczyk
 

FYI this is the best we can do, based on the day the data is pulled within the CFP program (it's why Helm is at the bottom instead of alphabetized currently)

If we reorder them, then, for example, anything that has been submitted as Container Networking thus far will essentially lose its data:

We will see if we can improve things in 2019 with the CFP system, thanks for the feedback.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
and of course I posted the wrong screenshot sigh: 




On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
At the moment, we are limited to what the CFP tool is capable of doing, so we only have a list.

We have updated the list of projects to label their relative maturity level in the CFP system.

For future CFPs, we will see if we can do what you have suggested.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...> wrote:
OK, I’m suggesting the opposite – three clearly separate lists – graduated, incubating, sandbox

If I’m the only one who feel strongly on this I’m happy to step down off my soapbox.  But I remember other TOC members having similarly strong feelings on the matter.  Brian Cantril, Camille and Alexis come to mind?

Q

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:28
To: Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...>
Cc: Luis Pabon <luis@...>, CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

We can annotate each listing with the project maturity level, that's my proposed solution moving forward.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...> wrote:
This topic has already come up several times in the ToC.  We explicitly decided that a very clear distinction should always be drawn between sandbox, incubation and graduated projects in external-facing communication.  It doesn’t sound like an alphabetical list mixing all of the projects together meets that goal.

Extract from sandbox.md, which I think needs to be strengthened to meet the above goals.

Some key points:

  • Sandbox projects will be listed separately from other CNCF projects (cncf.io/sandbox)
  • They will not be prominently listed at our events or issued a press release
Quinton


From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:18
To: Luis Pabon <luis@...>
Cc: CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

I don't see an issue with listing the projects in alphabetic order outside that it should be a series of checkboxes instead of radio buttons (we will fix that soon).

The TOC list is meant for technical discussions so if you have something you'd like to change about the CFP form, please email events@... for suggestions and we can have a discussion there.

Thanks.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Luis Pabon <luis@...> wrote:
Correct.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g> wrote:
This is a question more for CNCF staff based on the marketing expectations of sandbox projects:

I'm assuming you mean the alphabetical list of CNCF projects?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Luis Pab?n <luis@...> wrote:
Hi all,
  While creating a CFP for Kubecon/Seattle I noticed that sandbox projects get first level choices in the Kubecon CFP. Does this apply to any sandbox project? Will the CNCF continue with this model if we have many sandbox projects?

Regards,

- Luis




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Brandon Philips <bphilips@...>
 

Maybe prefix things intead of postfix things to get the ordering right? Some tools sort () and [] after letters and numbers. Give it a shot?

FWIW, the over promotion of sandbox projects was raised at the GB meeting as well and I share the concern about the current format.

Brandon

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 2:06 PM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
FYI this is the best we can do, based on the day the data is pulled within the CFP program (it's why Helm is at the bottom instead of alphabetized currently)

If we reorder them, then, for example, anything that has been submitted as Container Networking thus far will essentially lose its data:

We will see if we can improve things in 2019 with the CFP system, thanks for the feedback.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
and of course I posted the wrong screenshot sigh: 




On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
At the moment, we are limited to what the CFP tool is capable of doing, so we only have a list.

We have updated the list of projects to label their relative maturity level in the CFP system.

For future CFPs, we will see if we can do what you have suggested.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...> wrote:
OK, I’m suggesting the opposite – three clearly separate lists – graduated, incubating, sandbox

If I’m the only one who feel strongly on this I’m happy to step down off my soapbox.  But I remember other TOC members having similarly strong feelings on the matter.  Brian Cantril, Camille and Alexis come to mind?

Q

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:28
To: Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...>
Cc: Luis Pabon <luis@...>, CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

We can annotate each listing with the project maturity level, that's my proposed solution moving forward.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Quinton Hoole <quinton.hoole@...> wrote:
This topic has already come up several times in the ToC.  We explicitly decided that a very clear distinction should always be drawn between sandbox, incubation and graduated projects in external-facing communication.  It doesn’t sound like an alphabetical list mixing all of the projects together meets that goal.

Extract from sandbox.md, which I think needs to be strengthened to meet the above goals.

Some key points:

  • Sandbox projects will be listed separately from other CNCF projects (cncf.io/sandbox)
  • They will not be prominently listed at our events or issued a press release
Quinton


From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...>
Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 13:18
To: Luis Pabon <luis@...>
Cc: CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Question on sandbox projects

I don't see an issue with listing the projects in alphabetic order outside that it should be a series of checkboxes instead of radio buttons (we will fix that soon).

The TOC list is meant for technical discussions so if you have something you'd like to change about the CFP form, please email events@... for suggestions and we can have a discussion there.

Thanks.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Luis Pabon <luis@...> wrote:
Correct.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:35 PM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
This is a question more for CNCF staff based on the marketing expectations of sandbox projects:

I'm assuming you mean the alphabetical list of CNCF projects?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Luis Pab?n <luis@...> wrote:
Hi all,
  While creating a CFP for Kubecon/Seattle I noticed that sandbox projects get first level choices in the Kubecon CFP. Does this apply to any sandbox project? Will the CNCF continue with this model if we have many sandbox projects?

Regards,

- Luis




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Dan Kohn <dan@...>
 

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:10 PM, Brandon Philips <bphilips@...> wrote:
Maybe prefix things intead of postfix things to get the ordering right? Some tools sort () and [] after letters and numbers. Give it a shot?


If we changed the order of the projects, all the remaining submissions would be corrupted, due to a limitation of the tool we are using. 
 
FWIW, the over promotion of sandbox projects was raised at the GB meeting as well and I share the concern about the current format.

CNCF staff has gotten clear feedback from both the TOC and the GB to minimize the marketing of the sandbox projects. We will change the format of this form for future events, but can't do so in the remaining 48 hours the CFP is open.
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