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Re: OPA to graduation

Saad Ali
 

Thank you for the clarification Torin!

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 11:41 AM Torin Sandall via lists.cncf.io <torin=styra.com@...> wrote:
Hi Liz,

To your comment, the OPA governance model protects against one organization unfairly controlling any part of the project (including the open-policy-agent/opa repository) by allowing any maintainer (from any repository) to call for an update to the model (this is covered by the "Changes in Governance" section).

The governance doc says "All changes in Governance require a 2/3 majority organization vote from all areas of expertise."
What does "all areas of expertise" mean? Does it mean all the folks in https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/MAINTAINERS.md ?

 

The model we have in place balances (i) the desire for experts on a repository to make decisions for that repository and (ii) for the OPA contributor community to take action if one or more organizations starts misbehaving. Sustained contributors for each repository make decisions for what goes into that repository, but if those contributors begin making decisions that are not in the interest of the broader community, the OPA governance model allows maintainers from other repositories to step in and take corrective action. The model is based on the premise that maintainers are acting in the best interest of the community, but it recognizes that exceptions can occur and accounts for that.

https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/GOVERNANCE.md#changes-in-governance

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:27 AM Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
I am a big fan of OPA, and in general the project seems to be going well. But it does give me pause to see that open-policy-agent/opa (in particular) is controlled by one organisation 

Liz 

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 00:42, Maor Goldberg <maor@...> wrote:
Thank you for the clarification Torin, appreciate it. 

My intention was to highlight the need and to hopefully encourage other organizations to join and help your team. 
We are participating in the community meetings for a long time now and can only applaud everything that Styra is doing. 

Congratulations and good luck!






On Sep 17, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Torin Sandall via lists.cncf.io <torin=styra.com@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Maor from apolicy.io sent a follow up email asking about organization responsibilities for different repos. This is all covered in the MAINTAINER.md file:
# Maintainers



The following table lists OPA project maintainers and areas of expertise in alphabetical order:



| Name | GitHub | Email | Organization | Repositories/Area of Expertise | Added/Renewed On |

| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |

| Ash Narkar | @ashutosh-narkar | anarkar4387@... | Styra | opa, opa-istio-plugin | 2020-04-14 |

| Craig Tabita | @ctab | ctab@... | Google | gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |

| Max Smythe | @maxsmythe | smythe@... | Google | frameworks/constraints, gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |

| Patrick East | @patrick-east | east.patrick@... | Styra | opa | 2020-04-14 |

| Rita Zhang | @ritazh | rita.z.zhang@... | Microsoft | frameworks/constraints, gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |

| Sertaç Özercan | @sozercan | sozercan@... | Microsoft | gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |

| Tim Hinrichs | @timothyhinrichs | timothy.l.hinrichs@... | Styra | all repositories | 2020-04-14 |

| Torin Sandall | @tsandall | torinsandall@... | Styra | all repositories | 2020-04-14 |

We also have non-voting folks w/ write access on certain repos, which is valuable for onboarding



new contributors to admin the project on a day-to-day basis w/o inheriting full voting rights that are essentially a conflict resolution mechanism for when other attempts to reach consensus fail. Here's a summary of contributor organizations w/ write across across major repos under the open-policy-agent org:

* open-policy-agent/conftest - DataWorkz, Plex, Red Hat,Snyk, Styra
* open-policy-agent/frameworks - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/gatekeeper - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/gatekeeper-library - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/opa - Styra
* open-policy-agent/opa-envoy-plugin - Styra

We're always looking for folks that are interested in making long-term sustained contributions. If you're interested, please get in touch.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:05 PM Torin Sandall <torin@...> wrote:
Hi Maor,

Gatekeeper is not a separate project--it's a part of the OPA project. Microsoft and Google are maintainers of Gatekeeper as well as OPA, meaning all three organizations have the voting rights that go along with maintainership as outlined in our MAINTAINERS.md and GOVERNANCE.md files:

https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/GOVERNANCE.md
https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/MAINTAINERS.md

As far as plans for more organizations go, we have a governance process defined that outlines how new maintainers can be added. It requires a proposal from an existing maintainer and a vote from the other maintainers. That would likely occur after someone has made sustained contributions over a period of time. Note, the governance model allows for individuals to be granted permission to admin repos on GitHub without being granted full voting rights to onboard external efforts within OPA (this is how open-policy-agent/conftest is currently managed.)

-Torin

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 5:03 PM Maor Goldberg <maor@...> wrote:
Hey,

Great news and congratulations to the OPA team, great project and a cornerstone for the cloud native enterprise. 

Looking at the maintainer status on the project, I wonder if there’s a plan to add more organizations?
I believe there’s only one organization (Styra) with maintainer status on the OPA project while Google and Microsoft only maintain the Gatekeeper project (my understanding is that Gatekeeper is a separate project). 

I think it will be great to see more than one organization sharing responsibility and leadership for this important project.

Good luck,
Maor. 


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On Sep 16, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Brendan Burns via lists.cncf.io <bburns=microsoft.com@...> wrote:

Folks

The OPA project has applied for graduation from incubation to graduated. (https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/520)


The public comment period is now open for 2 weeks, and all SIGs, end users, TOC members, and community members are welcome to comment by replying to this thread.

Brendan Burns








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Re: OPA to graduation

Torin Sandall
 

Hi Liz,

To your comment, the OPA governance model protects against one organization unfairly controlling any part of the project (including the open-policy-agent/opa repository) by allowing any maintainer (from any repository) to call for an update to the model (this is covered by the "Changes in Governance" section).

The model we have in place balances (i) the desire for experts on a repository to make decisions for that repository and (ii) for the OPA contributor community to take action if one or more organizations starts misbehaving. Sustained contributors for each repository make decisions for what goes into that repository, but if those contributors begin making decisions that are not in the interest of the broader community, the OPA governance model allows maintainers from other repositories to step in and take corrective action. The model is based on the premise that maintainers are acting in the best interest of the community, but it recognizes that exceptions can occur and accounts for that.

https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/GOVERNANCE.md#changes-in-governance


On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:27 AM Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
I am a big fan of OPA, and in general the project seems to be going well. But it does give me pause to see that open-policy-agent/opa (in particular) is controlled by one organisation 

Liz 

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 00:42, Maor Goldberg <maor@...> wrote:
Thank you for the clarification Torin, appreciate it. 

My intention was to highlight the need and to hopefully encourage other organizations to join and help your team. 
We are participating in the community meetings for a long time now and can only applaud everything that Styra is doing. 

Congratulations and good luck!






On Sep 17, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Torin Sandall via lists.cncf.io <torin=styra.com@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Maor from apolicy.io sent a follow up email asking about organization responsibilities for different repos. This is all covered in the MAINTAINER.md file:
# Maintainers



The following table lists OPA project maintainers and areas of expertise in alphabetical order:



| Name | GitHub | Email | Organization | Repositories/Area of Expertise | Added/Renewed On |

| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |

| Ash Narkar | @ashutosh-narkar | anarkar4387@... | Styra | opa, opa-istio-plugin | 2020-04-14 |

| Craig Tabita | @ctab | ctab@... | Google | gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |

| Max Smythe | @maxsmythe | smythe@... | Google | frameworks/constraints, gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |

| Patrick East | @patrick-east | east.patrick@... | Styra | opa | 2020-04-14 |

| Rita Zhang | @ritazh | rita.z.zhang@... | Microsoft | frameworks/constraints, gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |

| Sertaç Özercan | @sozercan | sozercan@... | Microsoft | gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |

| Tim Hinrichs | @timothyhinrichs | timothy.l.hinrichs@... | Styra | all repositories | 2020-04-14 |

| Torin Sandall | @tsandall | torinsandall@... | Styra | all repositories | 2020-04-14 |

We also have non-voting folks w/ write access on certain repos, which is valuable for onboarding



new contributors to admin the project on a day-to-day basis w/o inheriting full voting rights that are essentially a conflict resolution mechanism for when other attempts to reach consensus fail. Here's a summary of contributor organizations w/ write across across major repos under the open-policy-agent org:

* open-policy-agent/conftest - DataWorkz, Plex, Red Hat,Snyk, Styra
* open-policy-agent/frameworks - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/gatekeeper - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/gatekeeper-library - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/opa - Styra
* open-policy-agent/opa-envoy-plugin - Styra

We're always looking for folks that are interested in making long-term sustained contributions. If you're interested, please get in touch.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:05 PM Torin Sandall <torin@...> wrote:
Hi Maor,

Gatekeeper is not a separate project--it's a part of the OPA project. Microsoft and Google are maintainers of Gatekeeper as well as OPA, meaning all three organizations have the voting rights that go along with maintainership as outlined in our MAINTAINERS.md and GOVERNANCE.md files:

https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/GOVERNANCE.md
https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/MAINTAINERS.md

As far as plans for more organizations go, we have a governance process defined that outlines how new maintainers can be added. It requires a proposal from an existing maintainer and a vote from the other maintainers. That would likely occur after someone has made sustained contributions over a period of time. Note, the governance model allows for individuals to be granted permission to admin repos on GitHub without being granted full voting rights to onboard external efforts within OPA (this is how open-policy-agent/conftest is currently managed.)

-Torin

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 5:03 PM Maor Goldberg <maor@...> wrote:
Hey,

Great news and congratulations to the OPA team, great project and a cornerstone for the cloud native enterprise. 

Looking at the maintainer status on the project, I wonder if there’s a plan to add more organizations?
I believe there’s only one organization (Styra) with maintainer status on the OPA project while Google and Microsoft only maintain the Gatekeeper project (my understanding is that Gatekeeper is a separate project). 

I think it will be great to see more than one organization sharing responsibility and leadership for this important project.

Good luck,
Maor. 


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On Sep 16, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Brendan Burns via lists.cncf.io <bburns=microsoft.com@...> wrote:

Folks

The OPA project has applied for graduation from incubation to graduated. (https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/520)


The public comment period is now open for 2 weeks, and all SIGs, end users, TOC members, and community members are welcome to comment by replying to this thread.

Brendan Burns








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-Torin




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Re: OPA to graduation

Liz Rice
 

I am a big fan of OPA, and in general the project seems to be going well. But it does give me pause to see that open-policy-agent/opa (in particular) is controlled by one organisation 

Liz 

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 00:42, Maor Goldberg <maor@...> wrote:
Thank you for the clarification Torin, appreciate it. 

My intention was to highlight the need and to hopefully encourage other organizations to join and help your team. 
We are participating in the community meetings for a long time now and can only applaud everything that Styra is doing. 

Congratulations and good luck!






On Sep 17, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Torin Sandall via lists.cncf.io <torin=styra.com@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Maor from apolicy.io sent a follow up email asking about organization responsibilities for different repos. This is all covered in the MAINTAINER.md file:
# Maintainers



The following table lists OPA project maintainers and areas of expertise in alphabetical order:



| Name | GitHub | Email | Organization | Repositories/Area of Expertise | Added/Renewed On |

| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |

| Ash Narkar | @ashutosh-narkar | anarkar4387@... | Styra | opa, opa-istio-plugin | 2020-04-14 |

| Craig Tabita | @ctab | ctab@... | Google | gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |

| Max Smythe | @maxsmythe | smythe@... | Google | frameworks/constraints, gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |

| Patrick East | @patrick-east | east.patrick@... | Styra | opa | 2020-04-14 |

| Rita Zhang | @ritazh | rita.z.zhang@... | Microsoft | frameworks/constraints, gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |

| Sertaç Özercan | @sozercan | sozercan@... | Microsoft | gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |

| Tim Hinrichs | @timothyhinrichs | timothy.l.hinrichs@... | Styra | all repositories | 2020-04-14 |

| Torin Sandall | @tsandall | torinsandall@... | Styra | all repositories | 2020-04-14 |

We also have non-voting folks w/ write access on certain repos, which is valuable for onboarding



new contributors to admin the project on a day-to-day basis w/o inheriting full voting rights that are essentially a conflict resolution mechanism for when other attempts to reach consensus fail. Here's a summary of contributor organizations w/ write across across major repos under the open-policy-agent org:

* open-policy-agent/conftest - DataWorkz, Plex, Red Hat,Snyk, Styra
* open-policy-agent/frameworks - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/gatekeeper - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/gatekeeper-library - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/opa - Styra
* open-policy-agent/opa-envoy-plugin - Styra

We're always looking for folks that are interested in making long-term sustained contributions. If you're interested, please get in touch.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:05 PM Torin Sandall <torin@...> wrote:
Hi Maor,

Gatekeeper is not a separate project--it's a part of the OPA project. Microsoft and Google are maintainers of Gatekeeper as well as OPA, meaning all three organizations have the voting rights that go along with maintainership as outlined in our MAINTAINERS.md and GOVERNANCE.md files:

https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/GOVERNANCE.md
https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/MAINTAINERS.md

As far as plans for more organizations go, we have a governance process defined that outlines how new maintainers can be added. It requires a proposal from an existing maintainer and a vote from the other maintainers. That would likely occur after someone has made sustained contributions over a period of time. Note, the governance model allows for individuals to be granted permission to admin repos on GitHub without being granted full voting rights to onboard external efforts within OPA (this is how open-policy-agent/conftest is currently managed.)

-Torin

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 5:03 PM Maor Goldberg <maor@...> wrote:
Hey,

Great news and congratulations to the OPA team, great project and a cornerstone for the cloud native enterprise. 

Looking at the maintainer status on the project, I wonder if there’s a plan to add more organizations?
I believe there’s only one organization (Styra) with maintainer status on the OPA project while Google and Microsoft only maintain the Gatekeeper project (my understanding is that Gatekeeper is a separate project). 

I think it will be great to see more than one organization sharing responsibility and leadership for this important project.

Good luck,
Maor. 


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On Sep 16, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Brendan Burns via lists.cncf.io <bburns=microsoft.com@...> wrote:

Folks

The OPA project has applied for graduation from incubation to graduated. (https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/520)


The public comment period is now open for 2 weeks, and all SIGs, end users, TOC members, and community members are welcome to comment by replying to this thread.

Brendan Burns








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-Torin




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Re: OPA to graduation

Maor Goldberg <maor@...>
 

Thank you for the clarification Torin, appreciate it. 

My intention was to highlight the need and to hopefully encourage other organizations to join and help your team. 
We are participating in the community meetings for a long time now and can only applaud everything that Styra is doing. 

Congratulations and good luck!


On Sep 17, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Torin Sandall via lists.cncf.io <torin=styra.com@...> wrote:

Hi All,

Maor from apolicy.io sent a follow up email asking about organization responsibilities for different repos. This is all covered in the MAINTAINER.md file:
# Maintainers

The following table lists OPA project maintainers and areas of expertise in alphabetical order:

| Name | GitHub | Email | Organization | Repositories/Area of Expertise | Added/Renewed On |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Ash Narkar | @ashutosh-narkar | anarkar4387@... | Styra | opa, opa-istio-plugin | 2020-04-14 |
| Craig Tabita | @ctab | ctab@... | Google | gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |
| Max Smythe | @maxsmythe | smythe@... | Google | frameworks/constraints, gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |
| Patrick East | @patrick-east | east.patrick@... | Styra | opa | 2020-04-14 |
| Rita Zhang | @ritazh | rita.z.zhang@... | Microsoft | frameworks/constraints, gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |
| Sertaç Özercan | @sozercan | sozercan@... | Microsoft | gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |
| Tim Hinrichs | @timothyhinrichs | timothy.l.hinrichs@... | Styra | all repositories | 2020-04-14 |
| Torin Sandall | @tsandall | torinsandall@... | Styra | all repositories | 2020-04-14 |

We also have non-voting folks w/ write access on certain repos, which is valuable for onboarding new contributors to admin the project on a day-to-day basis w/o inheriting full voting rights that are essentially a conflict resolution mechanism for when other attempts to reach consensus fail. Here's a summary of contributor organizations w/ write across across major repos under the open-policy-agent org:

* open-policy-agent/conftest - DataWorkz, Plex, Red Hat,Snyk, Styra
* open-policy-agent/frameworks - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/gatekeeper - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/gatekeeper-library - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/opa - Styra
* open-policy-agent/opa-envoy-plugin - Styra

We're always looking for folks that are interested in making long-term sustained contributions. If you're interested, please get in touch.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:05 PM Torin Sandall <torin@...> wrote:
Hi Maor,

Gatekeeper is not a separate project--it's a part of the OPA project. Microsoft and Google are maintainers of Gatekeeper as well as OPA, meaning all three organizations have the voting rights that go along with maintainership as outlined in our MAINTAINERS.md and GOVERNANCE.md files:

https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/GOVERNANCE.md
https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/MAINTAINERS.md

As far as plans for more organizations go, we have a governance process defined that outlines how new maintainers can be added. It requires a proposal from an existing maintainer and a vote from the other maintainers. That would likely occur after someone has made sustained contributions over a period of time. Note, the governance model allows for individuals to be granted permission to admin repos on GitHub without being granted full voting rights to onboard external efforts within OPA (this is how open-policy-agent/conftest is currently managed.)

-Torin

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 5:03 PM Maor Goldberg <maor@...> wrote:
Hey,

Great news and congratulations to the OPA team, great project and a cornerstone for the cloud native enterprise. 

Looking at the maintainer status on the project, I wonder if there’s a plan to add more organizations?
I believe there’s only one organization (Styra) with maintainer status on the OPA project while Google and Microsoft only maintain the Gatekeeper project (my understanding is that Gatekeeper is a separate project). 

I think it will be great to see more than one organization sharing responsibility and leadership for this important project.

Good luck,
Maor. 
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On Sep 16, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Brendan Burns via lists.cncf.io <bburns=microsoft.com@...> wrote:

Folks

The OPA project has applied for graduation from incubation to graduated. (https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/520)


The public comment period is now open for 2 weeks, and all SIGs, end users, TOC members, and community members are welcome to comment by replying to this thread.

Brendan Burns








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Re: OPA to graduation

Chris Short
 

OPA would be a very welcome addition, in my opinion.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 13:46 Brendan Burns via lists.cncf.io <bburns=microsoft.com@...> wrote:
















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The OPA project has applied for graduation from incubation to graduated. (https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/520)




















The public comment period is now open for 2 weeks, and all SIGs, end users, TOC members, and community members are welcome to comment by replying to this thread.











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Re: OPA to graduation

Torin Sandall
 

Hi All,

Maor from apolicy.io sent a follow up email asking about organization responsibilities for different repos. This is all covered in the MAINTAINER.md file:
# Maintainers

The following table lists OPA project maintainers and areas of expertise in alphabetical order:

| Name | GitHub | Email | Organization | Repositories/Area of Expertise | Added/Renewed On |
| --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Ash Narkar | @ashutosh-narkar | anarkar4387@... | Styra | opa, opa-istio-plugin | 2020-04-14 |
| Craig Tabita | @ctab | ctab@... | Google | gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |
| Max Smythe | @maxsmythe | smythe@... | Google | frameworks/constraints, gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |
| Patrick East | @patrick-east | east.patrick@... | Styra | opa | 2020-04-14 |
| Rita Zhang | @ritazh | rita.z.zhang@... | Microsoft | frameworks/constraints, gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |
| Sertaç Özercan | @sozercan | sozercan@... | Microsoft | gatekeeper, gatekeeper-library | 2020-04-14 |
| Tim Hinrichs | @timothyhinrichs | timothy.l.hinrichs@... | Styra | all repositories | 2020-04-14 |
| Torin Sandall | @tsandall | torinsandall@... | Styra | all repositories | 2020-04-14 |

We also have non-voting folks w/ write access on certain repos, which is valuable for onboarding new contributors to admin the project on a day-to-day basis w/o inheriting full voting rights that are essentially a conflict resolution mechanism for when other attempts to reach consensus fail. Here's a summary of contributor organizations w/ write across across major repos under the open-policy-agent org:

* open-policy-agent/conftest - DataWorkz, Plex, Red Hat,Snyk, Styra
* open-policy-agent/frameworks - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/gatekeeper - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/gatekeeper-library - Google, Microsoft, Styra
* open-policy-agent/opa - Styra
* open-policy-agent/opa-envoy-plugin - Styra

We're always looking for folks that are interested in making long-term sustained contributions. If you're interested, please get in touch.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 6:05 PM Torin Sandall <torin@...> wrote:
Hi Maor,

Gatekeeper is not a separate project--it's a part of the OPA project. Microsoft and Google are maintainers of Gatekeeper as well as OPA, meaning all three organizations have the voting rights that go along with maintainership as outlined in our MAINTAINERS.md and GOVERNANCE.md files:

https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/GOVERNANCE.md
https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/MAINTAINERS.md

As far as plans for more organizations go, we have a governance process defined that outlines how new maintainers can be added. It requires a proposal from an existing maintainer and a vote from the other maintainers. That would likely occur after someone has made sustained contributions over a period of time. Note, the governance model allows for individuals to be granted permission to admin repos on GitHub without being granted full voting rights to onboard external efforts within OPA (this is how open-policy-agent/conftest is currently managed.)

-Torin

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 5:03 PM Maor Goldberg <maor@...> wrote:
Hey,

Great news and congratulations to the OPA team, great project and a cornerstone for the cloud native enterprise. 

Looking at the maintainer status on the project, I wonder if there’s a plan to add more organizations?
I believe there’s only one organization (Styra) with maintainer status on the OPA project while Google and Microsoft only maintain the Gatekeeper project (my understanding is that Gatekeeper is a separate project). 

I think it will be great to see more than one organization sharing responsibility and leadership for this important project.

Good luck,
Maor. 

On Sep 16, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Brendan Burns via lists.cncf.io <bburns=microsoft.com@...> wrote:

Folks

The OPA project has applied for graduation from incubation to graduated. (https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/520)


The public comment period is now open for 2 weeks, and all SIGs, end users, TOC members, and community members are welcome to comment by replying to this thread.

Brendan Burns






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Re: [RESULT] KubeEdge to move to Incubation

"Benjamin <bingjiehuo@...>
 

Congrats

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From: Steven Tan <steven@...>
Date: Thu,Sep 17,2020 2:02 PM
To: Tina Tsou <tina.tsou@...>
Cc: quinton@... <quinton@...>, Amye Scavarda Perrin <ascavarda@...>, CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] [RESULT] KubeEdge to move to Incubation

Congrats to the KubeEdge team! 

On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:33 PM, Tina Tsou <tina.tsou@...> wrote:

 Congrats at KubeEdge Project!

Look forward to more deployment.


Thank you,
Tina ^ ^

On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Quinton Hoole via lists.cncf.io <quinton=hoole.biz@...> wrote:


Congrats KubeEdge!  Very well earned, IMO.

Q


On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:01 AM Amye Scavarda Perrin <ascavarda@...> wrote:
KubeEdge is approved to move to incubation: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/461

7/10
Alena Prokharchyk: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5017
Brendan Burns: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5030
Michelle Noorali: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5043
Liz Rice: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5050
Sheng Liang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5053
Justin Cormack: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5067
Katie Gamanji: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5249

+1 NB:
Davanum Srinivas: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5018
Zhipeng Huang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5019
Felix: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5020
Klaus Ma: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5021
Roger Klorese: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5022
Tina Tsou: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5023
Andrew Aitken: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5024
Ricardo Aravena: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5025
Thor Anker Kvisgård Lange: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5026
Kiran Mova: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5027
Jeremy Rickard: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5030
Dejan Bosanac: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5032
Paul Buck: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5033
Phillipe Robin: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5040
Quinton Hoole: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5041
Richard Hartmann: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5042
Deepak Vij: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5044
Kevin Ryan: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5045
Anni Lai: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5046
Steve Wong: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5061
GolfenGuo: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5070
Feilong Wang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5079
Qingchen Job: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5131
Shenkh: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5132
Ryan: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5133
Plutoligs: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5134
Zhiyiliu: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5135
Stanley: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5136
Zongkheshuaige: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5137

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Re: [RESULT] KubeEdge to move to Incubation

Steven Tan <steven@...>
 

Congrats to the KubeEdge team! 

On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:33 PM, Tina Tsou <tina.tsou@...> wrote:

 Congrats at KubeEdge Project!

Look forward to more deployment.


Thank you,
Tina ^ ^

On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Quinton Hoole via lists.cncf.io <quinton=hoole.biz@...> wrote:


Congrats KubeEdge!  Very well earned, IMO.

Q


On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:01 AM Amye Scavarda Perrin <ascavarda@...> wrote:
KubeEdge is approved to move to incubation: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/461

7/10
Alena Prokharchyk: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5017
Brendan Burns: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5030
Michelle Noorali: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5043
Liz Rice: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5050
Sheng Liang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5053
Justin Cormack: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5067
Katie Gamanji: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5249

+1 NB:
Davanum Srinivas: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5018
Zhipeng Huang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5019
Felix: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5020
Klaus Ma: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5021
Roger Klorese: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5022
Tina Tsou: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5023
Andrew Aitken: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5024
Ricardo Aravena: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5025
Thor Anker Kvisgård Lange: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5026
Kiran Mova: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5027
Jeremy Rickard: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5030
Dejan Bosanac: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5032
Paul Buck: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5033
Phillipe Robin: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5040
Quinton Hoole: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5041
Richard Hartmann: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5042
Deepak Vij: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5044
Kevin Ryan: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5045
Anni Lai: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5046
Steve Wong: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5061
GolfenGuo: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5070
Feilong Wang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5079
Qingchen Job: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5131
Shenkh: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5132
Ryan: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5133
Plutoligs: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5134
Zhiyiliu: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5135
Stanley: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5136
Zongkheshuaige: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5137

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Re: OPA to graduation

Torin Sandall
 

Hi Maor,

Gatekeeper is not a separate project--it's a part of the OPA project. Microsoft and Google are maintainers of Gatekeeper as well as OPA, meaning all three organizations have the voting rights that go along with maintainership as outlined in our MAINTAINERS.md and GOVERNANCE.md files:

https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/GOVERNANCE.md
https://github.com/open-policy-agent/opa/blob/master/MAINTAINERS.md

As far as plans for more organizations go, we have a governance process defined that outlines how new maintainers can be added. It requires a proposal from an existing maintainer and a vote from the other maintainers. That would likely occur after someone has made sustained contributions over a period of time. Note, the governance model allows for individuals to be granted permission to admin repos on GitHub without being granted full voting rights to onboard external efforts within OPA (this is how open-policy-agent/conftest is currently managed.)

-Torin

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 5:03 PM Maor Goldberg <maor@...> wrote:
Hey,

Great news and congratulations to the OPA team, great project and a cornerstone for the cloud native enterprise. 

Looking at the maintainer status on the project, I wonder if there’s a plan to add more organizations?
I believe there’s only one organization (Styra) with maintainer status on the OPA project while Google and Microsoft only maintain the Gatekeeper project (my understanding is that Gatekeeper is a separate project). 

I think it will be great to see more than one organization sharing responsibility and leadership for this important project.

Good luck,
Maor. 

On Sep 16, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Brendan Burns via lists.cncf.io <bburns=microsoft.com@...> wrote:

Folks

The OPA project has applied for graduation from incubation to graduated. (https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/520)


The public comment period is now open for 2 weeks, and all SIGs, end users, TOC members, and community members are welcome to comment by replying to this thread.

Brendan Burns






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Re: OPA to graduation

Maor Goldberg <maor@...>
 

Hey,

Great news and congratulations to the OPA team, great project and a cornerstone for the cloud native enterprise. 

Looking at the maintainer status on the project, I wonder if there’s a plan to add more organizations?
I believe there’s only one organization (Styra) with maintainer status on the OPA project while Google and Microsoft only maintain the Gatekeeper project (my understanding is that Gatekeeper is a separate project). 

I think it will be great to see more than one organization sharing responsibility and leadership for this important project.

Good luck,
Maor. 

On Sep 16, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Brendan Burns via lists.cncf.io <bburns=microsoft.com@...> wrote:

Folks

The OPA project has applied for graduation from incubation to graduated. (https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/520)


The public comment period is now open for 2 weeks, and all SIGs, end users, TOC members, and community members are welcome to comment by replying to this thread.

Brendan Burns





Re: [RESULT] KubeEdge to move to Incubation

Tina Tsou
 

Congrats at KubeEdge Project!

Look forward to more deployment.


Thank you,
Tina ^ ^

On Sep 16, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Quinton Hoole via lists.cncf.io <quinton=hoole.biz@...> wrote:


Congrats KubeEdge!  Very well earned, IMO.

Q


On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:01 AM Amye Scavarda Perrin <ascavarda@...> wrote:
KubeEdge is approved to move to incubation: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/461

7/10
Alena Prokharchyk: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5017
Brendan Burns: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5030
Michelle Noorali: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5043
Liz Rice: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5050
Sheng Liang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5053
Justin Cormack: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5067
Katie Gamanji: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5249

+1 NB:
Davanum Srinivas: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5018
Zhipeng Huang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5019
Felix: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5020
Klaus Ma: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5021
Roger Klorese: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5022
Tina Tsou: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5023
Andrew Aitken: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5024
Ricardo Aravena: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5025
Thor Anker Kvisgård Lange: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5026
Kiran Mova: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5027
Jeremy Rickard: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5030
Dejan Bosanac: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5032
Paul Buck: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5033
Phillipe Robin: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5040
Quinton Hoole: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5041
Richard Hartmann: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5042
Deepak Vij: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5044
Kevin Ryan: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5045
Anni Lai: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5046
Steve Wong: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5061
GolfenGuo: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5070
Feilong Wang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5079
Qingchen Job: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5131
Shenkh: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5132
Ryan: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5133
Plutoligs: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5134
Zhiyiliu: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5135
Stanley: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5136
Zongkheshuaige: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5137

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Re: [RESULT] KubeEdge to move to Incubation

Quinton Hoole <quinton@...>
 

Congrats KubeEdge!  Very well earned, IMO.

Q


On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:01 AM Amye Scavarda Perrin <ascavarda@...> wrote:
KubeEdge is approved to move to incubation: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/461

7/10
Alena Prokharchyk: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5017
Brendan Burns: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5030
Michelle Noorali: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5043
Liz Rice: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5050
Sheng Liang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5053
Justin Cormack: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5067
Katie Gamanji: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5249

+1 NB:
Davanum Srinivas: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5018
Zhipeng Huang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5019
Felix: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5020
Klaus Ma: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5021
Roger Klorese: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5022
Tina Tsou: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5023
Andrew Aitken: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5024
Ricardo Aravena: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5025
Thor Anker Kvisgård Lange: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5026
Kiran Mova: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5027
Jeremy Rickard: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5030
Dejan Bosanac: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5032
Paul Buck: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5033
Phillipe Robin: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5040
Quinton Hoole: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5041
Richard Hartmann: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5042
Deepak Vij: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5044
Kevin Ryan: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5045
Anni Lai: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5046
Steve Wong: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5061
GolfenGuo: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5070
Feilong Wang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5079
Qingchen Job: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5131
Shenkh: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5132
Ryan: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5133
Plutoligs: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5134
Zhiyiliu: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5135
Stanley: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5136
Zongkheshuaige: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5137

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Re: OPA to graduation

Quinton Hoole <quinton@...>
 

As some of you are probably aware, I've been a strong proponent of OPA for several years now.  Both the project, and the team seem like a great fit for CNCF graduation.

I have not yet read the full due diligence, but I can state that I am not aware of any fundamental blockers to graduation, and would love to see it proceed successfully.

(note: I have zero professional affiliations with the project - the above represent my best attempt at an unbiased opinion).

Q


 

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:46 AM Brendan Burns via lists.cncf.io <bburns=microsoft.com@...> wrote:
Folks

The OPA project has applied for graduation from incubation to graduated. (https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/520)


The public comment period is now open for 2 weeks, and all SIGs, end users, TOC members, and community members are welcome to comment by replying to this thread.

Brendan Burns





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OPA to graduation

Brendan Burns
 

Folks

The OPA project has applied for graduation from incubation to graduated. (https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/520)


The public comment period is now open for 2 weeks, and all SIGs, end users, TOC members, and community members are welcome to comment by replying to this thread.

Brendan Burns




[RESULT] KubeEdge to move to Incubation

Amye Scavarda Perrin
 

KubeEdge is approved to move to incubation: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/461

7/10
Alena Prokharchyk: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5017
Brendan Burns: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5030
Michelle Noorali: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5043
Liz Rice: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5050
Sheng Liang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5053
Justin Cormack: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5067
Katie Gamanji: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5249

+1 NB:
Davanum Srinivas: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5018
Zhipeng Huang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5019
Felix: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5020
Klaus Ma: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5021
Roger Klorese: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5022
Tina Tsou: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5023
Andrew Aitken: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5024
Ricardo Aravena: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5025
Thor Anker Kvisgård Lange: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5026
Kiran Mova: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5027
Jeremy Rickard: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5030
Dejan Bosanac: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5032
Paul Buck: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5033
Phillipe Robin: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5040
Quinton Hoole: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5041
Richard Hartmann: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5042
Deepak Vij: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5044
Kevin Ryan: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5045
Anni Lai: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5046
Steve Wong: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5061
GolfenGuo: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5070
Feilong Wang: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5079
Qingchen Job: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5131
Shenkh: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5132
Ryan: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5133
Plutoligs: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5134
Zhiyiliu: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5135
Stanley: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5136
Zongkheshuaige: https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5137

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Agenda for 9/15

Amye Scavarda Perrin
 

Hi all, 
We'll be meeting tomorrow with a presentation on the latest End User Tech Radar.


Re: [RESULT] Tech Lead nomination for SIG Observability: Bartłomiej Płotka

Bartłomiej Płotka
 

Thanks, Amye for the summary, and thank you All for your trust! (: 

Looking forward to what we can achieve together in the CNCF Observability space 💪

Kind Regards,
Bartek Płotka (@bwplotka)



Re: Sandbox Projects included from September 8 TOC meeting

Li, Xiang
 

(I am familiar with the team behind the project, and the background of the project).

OpenKurise itself is not an experiment. It supports some of the largest Kubernetes clusters in production environment at Alibaba and a few other large internet companies (https://github.com/openkruise/kruise/issues/289).

For any sizable companies using Kubeternetes, it is not uncommon to have tens of generic controllers that are not specific to any particular application. 

The motivation of OpenKruise project is to find a subset of these controllers that are commonly useful to a number of users rather than just one company. So we can reduce some duplication, improve collaboration and help the community to grow.

Yes, if some enhancements or workload types are popular enough that everyone wants then, we hope them to be upstreamed to Kubernetes project itself.

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To:Matt Farina <matt@...>
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Subject:Re: [cncf-toc] Sandbox Projects included from September 8 TOC meeting

OpenKruise is experimenting with a number of workload-related resource definitions, some of which are enhancements to existing core K8s resources. We're happy to see these experiments and want to support them, but we wondered if it makes more sense for them to belong within the purview of the Kubernetes project rather than as a standalone project? My understanding is that OpenKruise intends to eventually contribute successful experiments to upstream Kubernetes anyway. 

There's also a question about project scope. If the Kubernetes project would actually prefer these experiments to take place in a separate project, does that make OpenKruise the natural home for all workload-related CRD ideas, or some other scope? 

The discussion was recorded (I'm sure Amy can provide the link if she hasn't already circulated it) and that might be worth listening to for more context, if you have the time.   


On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 4:21 PM Matt Farina <matt@...> wrote:
OpenKruise has reached out to Kubernetes SIG Apps and we will discuss the project.

For context, why would the TOC suggest OpenKruise fall under k8s instead of being it's own CNCF sandbox project?

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Amye Scavarda Perrin wrote:
The TOC has reviewed the current Sandbox projects applying for inclusion. 

The projects included are: 
Backstage 
Tremor
metal3-io
Porter
OpenYurt 
Open Service Mesh 

Other projects not brought to vote: 
checkov - further conversation needed re: roadmap, holding for updated roadmap
protop - no roadmap! https://github.com/protop-io/protop#roadmap Should this be a subproject of gRPC? TOC would like feedback from the gRPC project. 
Dataset Lifecycle Framework - next steps: TOC conversation with SIG Storage, Kubernetes COSI KEP
OpenKruise - discussion with Kubernetes Steering Committee needed, SIG Apps - should this be a subproject?
Predator - no clear roadmap, resubmit with clearer roadmap
SchemaHero - no clear roadmap, resubmit with clearer roadmap
Keylime - scheduled for next closed meeting, September 22

As part of this process, we've now added a new question to the sandbox proposal form: "Why do you want to contribute your project to the CNCF? What would you like to get out of being part of the CNCF?" 

Welcome to these new sandbox projects! 
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Re: Sandbox Projects included from September 8 TOC meeting

Amye Scavarda Perrin
 

The recording for the 9/8 meeting is up on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_FO3PWnkY4 


On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:36 AM Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
OpenKruise is experimenting with a number of workload-related resource definitions, some of which are enhancements to existing core K8s resources. We're happy to see these experiments and want to support them, but we wondered if it makes more sense for them to belong within the purview of the Kubernetes project rather than as a standalone project? My understanding is that OpenKruise intends to eventually contribute successful experiments to upstream Kubernetes anyway. 

There's also a question about project scope. If the Kubernetes project would actually prefer these experiments to take place in a separate project, does that make OpenKruise the natural home for all workload-related CRD ideas, or some other scope? 

The discussion was recorded (I'm sure Amy can provide the link if she hasn't already circulated it) and that might be worth listening to for more context, if you have the time.   


On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 4:21 PM Matt Farina <matt@...> wrote:
OpenKruise has reached out to Kubernetes SIG Apps and we will discuss the project.

For context, why would the TOC suggest OpenKruise fall under k8s instead of being it's own CNCF sandbox project?

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Amye Scavarda Perrin wrote:
The TOC has reviewed the current Sandbox projects applying for inclusion. 

The projects included are: 
Backstage 
Tremor
metal3-io
Porter
OpenYurt 
Open Service Mesh 

Other projects not brought to vote: 
checkov - further conversation needed re: roadmap, holding for updated roadmap
protop - no roadmap! https://github.com/protop-io/protop#roadmap Should this be a subproject of gRPC? TOC would like feedback from the gRPC project. 
Dataset Lifecycle Framework - next steps: TOC conversation with SIG Storage, Kubernetes COSI KEP
OpenKruise - discussion with Kubernetes Steering Committee needed, SIG Apps - should this be a subproject?
Predator - no clear roadmap, resubmit with clearer roadmap
SchemaHero - no clear roadmap, resubmit with clearer roadmap
Keylime - scheduled for next closed meeting, September 22

As part of this process, we've now added a new question to the sandbox proposal form: "Why do you want to contribute your project to the CNCF? What would you like to get out of being part of the CNCF?" 

Welcome to these new sandbox projects! 
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Amye Scavarda Perrin | Program Manager | amye@...



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Amye Scavarda Perrin | Program Manager | amye@...


Re: Sandbox Projects included from September 8 TOC meeting

Liz Rice
 

OpenKruise is experimenting with a number of workload-related resource definitions, some of which are enhancements to existing core K8s resources. We're happy to see these experiments and want to support them, but we wondered if it makes more sense for them to belong within the purview of the Kubernetes project rather than as a standalone project? My understanding is that OpenKruise intends to eventually contribute successful experiments to upstream Kubernetes anyway. 

There's also a question about project scope. If the Kubernetes project would actually prefer these experiments to take place in a separate project, does that make OpenKruise the natural home for all workload-related CRD ideas, or some other scope? 

The discussion was recorded (I'm sure Amy can provide the link if she hasn't already circulated it) and that might be worth listening to for more context, if you have the time.   


On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 4:21 PM Matt Farina <matt@...> wrote:
OpenKruise has reached out to Kubernetes SIG Apps and we will discuss the project.

For context, why would the TOC suggest OpenKruise fall under k8s instead of being it's own CNCF sandbox project?

On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Amye Scavarda Perrin wrote:
The TOC has reviewed the current Sandbox projects applying for inclusion. 

The projects included are: 
Backstage 
Tremor
metal3-io
Porter
OpenYurt 
Open Service Mesh 

Other projects not brought to vote: 
checkov - further conversation needed re: roadmap, holding for updated roadmap
protop - no roadmap! https://github.com/protop-io/protop#roadmap Should this be a subproject of gRPC? TOC would like feedback from the gRPC project. 
Dataset Lifecycle Framework - next steps: TOC conversation with SIG Storage, Kubernetes COSI KEP
OpenKruise - discussion with Kubernetes Steering Committee needed, SIG Apps - should this be a subproject?
Predator - no clear roadmap, resubmit with clearer roadmap
SchemaHero - no clear roadmap, resubmit with clearer roadmap
Keylime - scheduled for next closed meeting, September 22

As part of this process, we've now added a new question to the sandbox proposal form: "Why do you want to contribute your project to the CNCF? What would you like to get out of being part of the CNCF?" 

Welcome to these new sandbox projects! 
--
Amye Scavarda Perrin | Program Manager | amye@...

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