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Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Ricardo Aravena
 


It's a great initiative.

It would be good to understand if there are any projects that would fall in the scope of the proposed TAG.  I also wonder if those types of projects have an overlap with FinOps.

The part that deals with creating standards and guidelines for the reduction of the CO₂ footprint of the projects and data centers appears more like a working group to me. 

Additionally, to echo Bob's comment, the use of the 'sustainability' term is a bit confusing. Is it related to long term sustainability of the project itself?  Or is it related to sustainability of data centers and reducing the CO₂ footprint?

My two cents.

Thanks,
Ricardo


On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:31 PM Josh Berkus <jberkus@...> wrote:
On 3/22/22 06:14, Bob Killen wrote:
> I would also recommend a potentially different name than sustainability
> or expand it to something like environmental-sustainability. I know it
> aligns with the effort, but in OSS, "sustainability" is associated much
> more with contributor or project health than environmental/economic
> impact. I could see significant confusion otherwise =/

Given that this proposal has to do with environmental sustainability, I
don't see a place for it in Contributor Strategy.

I agree that the name should be workshopped to avoid that confusion in
the future.

--
-- Josh Berkus
    TAG Contributor Strategy Co-Chair
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Josh Berkus
 

On 3/22/22 06:14, Bob Killen wrote:
I would also recommend a potentially different name than sustainability or expand it to something like environmental-sustainability. I know it aligns with the effort, but in OSS, "sustainability" is associated much more with contributor or project health than environmental/economic impact. I could see significant confusion otherwise =/
Given that this proposal has to do with environmental sustainability, I don't see a place for it in Contributor Strategy.

I agree that the name should be workshopped to avoid that confusion in the future.

--
-- Josh Berkus
TAG Contributor Strategy Co-Chair
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Max Koerbaecher <max@...>
 

Thank you Bob!
We discussed the wording for some time and wanted to keep it simple. However, I believe we can find the right prefix for it.

But, I have to disagree that sustainability, as a concept, has something to do with the TAG Contributor Strategy. I know it is written as the statement for the TAG, but I understand it as just for its word, and could be replaced with "we want to sponsor a long-lasting relationship with our contributors". On the other hand, throwing sustainability and ICT, cloud, computing, software into a search engine, will point you always to topics of energy consumption, computing effectiveness, and CO2 outputs.  

I believe this could start as a WG. But "Sustainability" scratches on a huge variety of topics that could be broken down into different WG. 

Am Di., 22. März 2022 um 14:14 Uhr schrieb Bob Killen <killen.bob@...>:

I applaud the effort, but if this is contributor focused, would it make more sense to be a working group under TAG Contributor Strategy? or potentially an independent working group? - "The end result of a working group may be a new project proposal, landscape, whitepaper or even a report detailing their findings. The intention of working groups is not to host a full project or specification[1]".

I would also recommend a potentially different name than sustainability or expand it to something like environmental-sustainability. I know it aligns with the effort, but in OSS, "sustainability" is associated much more with contributor or project health than environmental/economic impact. I could see significant confusion otherwise =/

Cheers,
- Bob


On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 5:55 AM Chris Short via lists.cncf.io <chris=chrisshort.net@...> wrote:
Oh cool!
He/Him/His
TZ=America/Detroit


On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:49 AM Max Koerbaecher <max@...> wrote:
Dear TOC,

we would like to propose you a new TAG. 

Sustainability is a growing and important topic and can be done effectively only if everyone delivers their part to it. The data centers' global energy consumption, and therefore the reason for CO2 emission, is around 2%. That maybe doesn't sound a lot but is equivalent to Canada or Germany, and is also bigger than the emissions caused by airplanes. 

At the same time, open source gets relevant momentum and can be found in many system implementations or is the foundation modern systems are built on. That's why we would like to propose you the TAG Sustainability. We as a community can lay the foundation for sustainable software, sustainable open source projects and best practices to deliver our part for a positive change in the future.

Please find our proposal here:

We would be more than happy to discuss this with you in the next TOC about the TAG. By questions feel free to reach out to us.

Best regards
Max
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Wojtek Cichoń
 

+1 for change to for example "Climate sustainability"?

Re: Contributor-focused. I think this goes a lot further than just contributing code. First, we need to raise awareness of the issue and make sure that the outcomes of the TAG overlap with the product and business goals, so a lot of internal/external comms will be involved.
All the best!
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Bob Killen
 

I applaud the effort, but if this is contributor focused, would it make more sense to be a working group under TAG Contributor Strategy? or potentially an independent working group? - "The end result of a working group may be a new project proposal, landscape, whitepaper or even a report detailing their findings. The intention of working groups is not to host a full project or specification[1]".

I would also recommend a potentially different name than sustainability or expand it to something like environmental-sustainability. I know it aligns with the effort, but in OSS, "sustainability" is associated much more with contributor or project health than environmental/economic impact. I could see significant confusion otherwise =/

Cheers,
- Bob


On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 5:55 AM Chris Short via lists.cncf.io <chris=chrisshort.net@...> wrote:
Oh cool!
He/Him/His
TZ=America/Detroit


On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:49 AM Max Koerbaecher <max@...> wrote:
Dear TOC,

we would like to propose you a new TAG. 

Sustainability is a growing and important topic and can be done effectively only if everyone delivers their part to it. The data centers' global energy consumption, and therefore the reason for CO2 emission, is around 2%. That maybe doesn't sound a lot but is equivalent to Canada or Germany, and is also bigger than the emissions caused by airplanes. 

At the same time, open source gets relevant momentum and can be found in many system implementations or is the foundation modern systems are built on. That's why we would like to propose you the TAG Sustainability. We as a community can lay the foundation for sustainable software, sustainable open source projects and best practices to deliver our part for a positive change in the future.

Please find our proposal here:

We would be more than happy to discuss this with you in the next TOC about the TAG. By questions feel free to reach out to us.

Best regards
Max
Re: TOC Election Results for the TOC chosen seat

alexis richardson
 

+1

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:41 PM Erin Boyd <eboyd@...> wrote:
Welcome back, Katie!

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 9:58 AM Katie Gamanji <gamanjie@...> wrote:
Thank you all for the warm welcome!

Also, thank you for all of your hard work Alena! It's been great to have you as a community leader in the cloud native space.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Richard Hartmann <richih@...> wrote:
Thanks a _lot_, Alena!

Welcome (back), Katie :)





--

Erin A. Boyd

Director of Emerging Technologies OCTO

Distinguished Engineer

Red Hat

eboyd@...   

Re: TOC Election Results for the TOC chosen seat

Erin Boyd
 

Welcome back, Katie!

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 9:58 AM Katie Gamanji <gamanjie@...> wrote:
Thank you all for the warm welcome!

Also, thank you for all of your hard work Alena! It's been great to have you as a community leader in the cloud native space.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Richard Hartmann <richih@...> wrote:
Thanks a _lot_, Alena!

Welcome (back), Katie :)





--

Erin A. Boyd

Director of Emerging Technologies OCTO

Distinguished Engineer

Red Hat

eboyd@...   

Re: TOC Election Results for the TOC chosen seat

Katie Gamanji
 

Thank you all for the warm welcome!

Also, thank you for all of your hard work Alena! It's been great to have you as a community leader in the cloud native space.


On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Richard Hartmann <richih@...> wrote:
Thanks a _lot_, Alena!

Welcome (back), Katie :)
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Chris Short
 

Oh cool!
He/Him/His
TZ=America/Detroit


On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:49 AM Max Koerbaecher <max@...> wrote:
Dear TOC,

we would like to propose you a new TAG. 

Sustainability is a growing and important topic and can be done effectively only if everyone delivers their part to it. The data centers' global energy consumption, and therefore the reason for CO2 emission, is around 2%. That maybe doesn't sound a lot but is equivalent to Canada or Germany, and is also bigger than the emissions caused by airplanes. 

At the same time, open source gets relevant momentum and can be found in many system implementations or is the foundation modern systems are built on. That's why we would like to propose you the TAG Sustainability. We as a community can lay the foundation for sustainable software, sustainable open source projects and best practices to deliver our part for a positive change in the future.

Please find our proposal here:

We would be more than happy to discuss this with you in the next TOC about the TAG. By questions feel free to reach out to us.

Best regards
Max
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Wojtek Cichoń
 

Great initiative! I would love to get involved.
Best regards,
W.

On Sat Mar 19, 2022, 12:06 PM GMT, Max Koerbaecher wrote:
Dear TOC,

we would like to propose you a new TAG. 

Sustainability is a growing and important topic and can be done effectively only if everyone delivers their part to it. The data centers' global energy consumption, and therefore the reason for CO2 emission, is around 2%. That maybe doesn't sound a lot but is equivalent to Canada or Germany, and is also bigger than the emissions caused by airplanes. 

At the same time, open source gets relevant momentum and can be found in many system implementations or is the foundation modern systems are built on. That's why we would like to propose you the TAG Sustainability. We as a community can lay the foundation for sustainable software, sustainable open source projects and best practices to deliver our part for a positive change in the future.

Please find our proposal here:

We would be more than happy to discuss this with you in the next TOC about the TAG. By questions feel free to reach out to us.

Best regards
Max
Proposal TAG Sustainability

Max Koerbaecher <max@...>
 

Dear TOC,

we would like to propose you a new TAG. 

Sustainability is a growing and important topic and can be done effectively only if everyone delivers their part to it. The data centers' global energy consumption, and therefore the reason for CO2 emission, is around 2%. That maybe doesn't sound a lot but is equivalent to Canada or Germany, and is also bigger than the emissions caused by airplanes. 

At the same time, open source gets relevant momentum and can be found in many system implementations or is the foundation modern systems are built on. That's why we would like to propose you the TAG Sustainability. We as a community can lay the foundation for sustainable software, sustainable open source projects and best practices to deliver our part for a positive change in the future.

Please find our proposal here:

We would be more than happy to discuss this with you in the next TOC about the TAG. By questions feel free to reach out to us.

Best regards
Max
Re: TOC Election Results for the TOC chosen seat

Richard Hartmann
 

Thanks a _lot_, Alena!

Welcome (back), Katie :)
Re: TOC Election Results for the TOC chosen seat

Alena Prokharchyk
 

Congratulations, Katie!

-alena

On Mar 18, 2022, at 12:41 PM, Amye Scavarda Perrin <ascavarda@...> wrote:

I'm pleased to announce that Katie Gamanji has been elected to the TOC as the TOC chosen seat. 

Thank you to Matt Butcher as our other candidate in the runoff, as well as all of our other candidates who were nominated for this seat. 

Lastly, I want to offer a thank you to outgoing TOC member, Alena Prokharchyk for her work. 

--
Amye Scavarda Perrin | Director of Developer Programs, CNCF | amye@...
Re: TOC Election Results for the TOC chosen seat

Alex Chircop
 

Thank you Alena and congratulations Katie!

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022, 19:41 Amye Scavarda Perrin, <ascavarda@...> wrote:
I'm pleased to announce that Katie Gamanji has been elected to the TOC as the TOC chosen seat. 

Thank you to Matt Butcher as our other candidate in the runoff, as well as all of our other candidates who were nominated for this seat. 

Lastly, I want to offer a thank you to outgoing TOC member, Alena Prokharchyk for her work. 

--
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Re: TOC Election Results for the TOC chosen seat

Davanum Srinivas
 

Thanks a ton Alena for all your hard work!  Welcome back Katie!


On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 3:41 PM Amye Scavarda Perrin <ascavarda@...> wrote:
I'm pleased to announce that Katie Gamanji has been elected to the TOC as the TOC chosen seat. 

Thank you to Matt Butcher as our other candidate in the runoff, as well as all of our other candidates who were nominated for this seat. 

Lastly, I want to offer a thank you to outgoing TOC member, Alena Prokharchyk for her work. 

--
Amye Scavarda Perrin | Director of Developer Programs, CNCF | amye@...



--
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TOC Election Results for the TOC chosen seat

Amye Scavarda Perrin
 

I'm pleased to announce that Katie Gamanji has been elected to the TOC as the TOC chosen seat. 

Thank you to Matt Butcher as our other candidate in the runoff, as well as all of our other candidates who were nominated for this seat. 

Lastly, I want to offer a thank you to outgoing TOC member, Alena Prokharchyk for her work. 

--
Amye Scavarda Perrin | Director of Developer Programs, CNCF | amye@...
Re: Security TAG Co-Chair Nomination: Andrew Martin

Asif Ali
 

+1 NB

regards

Asif Ali


On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 10:40 AM Luke A Hinds <lhinds@...> wrote:
+1 NB, Andrew would be great in this role and bring a lot of experience. 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 4:00 PM Emily Fox <themoxiefoxatwork@...> wrote:
Hello everyone!
 As part of my transition into the TOC, I, Emily Fox, stepped down as Co-Chair of TAG-Security, after discussion with the the TAG co-chairs and concurrence from myself and Justin Cormack, they would like to nominate Andrew Martin as Co-Chair for TAG-Security for a 2 year term.

More about Andrew:
Andrew has an incisive security engineering ethos gained building and destroying high-traffic web applications. Proficient in systems development, testing, and operations, he is at his happiest profiling and securing every tier of a cloud native system, and has battle-hardened experience delivering containerised solutions to enterprise and government. He is CEO at https://control-plane.io
 
Andrew has been a contributing member of TAG Security since 2018, in which time he has: authored sections of, and edited, the Cloud Native Security and Supply Chain Security Whitepapers; contributed to CFP review processes; and written and presented the solutions to the TAG Security CTFs -- all along with community friends and colleagues.

Request:
Please consider Andrew Martin for nomination as co-chair to Security TAG.  Personally, Andrew has been a bundle of delight and enthusiasm to work with on a variety of Security TAG projects. I am confident he will be an amazing co-chair and compliment both Brandon's and Aradhna's skills in an outstanding fashion I have come to know him for.

The co-chairs and myself ask that you formally vote and invite the wider community to support this nomination with non-binding votes.

~Emily Fox, STAG co-chair emeritus, TOC member
~Aradhna Chetal, STAG co-chair
~Brandon Lum, STAG co-chair
Re: Security TAG Co-Chair Nomination: Andrew Martin

Luke A Hinds <lhinds@...>
 

+1 NB, Andrew would be great in this role and bring a lot of experience. 


On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 4:00 PM Emily Fox <themoxiefoxatwork@...> wrote:
Hello everyone!
 As part of my transition into the TOC, I, Emily Fox, stepped down as Co-Chair of TAG-Security, after discussion with the the TAG co-chairs and concurrence from myself and Justin Cormack, they would like to nominate Andrew Martin as Co-Chair for TAG-Security for a 2 year term.

More about Andrew:
Andrew has an incisive security engineering ethos gained building and destroying high-traffic web applications. Proficient in systems development, testing, and operations, he is at his happiest profiling and securing every tier of a cloud native system, and has battle-hardened experience delivering containerised solutions to enterprise and government. He is CEO at https://control-plane.io
 
Andrew has been a contributing member of TAG Security since 2018, in which time he has: authored sections of, and edited, the Cloud Native Security and Supply Chain Security Whitepapers; contributed to CFP review processes; and written and presented the solutions to the TAG Security CTFs -- all along with community friends and colleagues.

Request:
Please consider Andrew Martin for nomination as co-chair to Security TAG.  Personally, Andrew has been a bundle of delight and enthusiasm to work with on a variety of Security TAG projects. I am confident he will be an amazing co-chair and compliment both Brandon's and Aradhna's skills in an outstanding fashion I have come to know him for.

The co-chairs and myself ask that you formally vote and invite the wider community to support this nomination with non-binding votes.

~Emily Fox, STAG co-chair emeritus, TOC member
~Aradhna Chetal, STAG co-chair
~Brandon Lum, STAG co-chair
[RESULT] Andrew Martin approved as Security TAG Co-Chair

Amye Scavarda Perrin
 

Re: Security TAG Co-Chair Nomination: Andrew Martin

Emily Fox
 

+1B!  (forgot it in my kick off email 🙃)
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