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Re: RFC: containerd and rkt project proposals for CNCF
Doug Davis <dug@...>
Non-binding, but +1 to both! All, please do take a look!
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 20:37 Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc, <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
containerd: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32 rkt: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/33 Please look them over on GitHub and raise any issues / concerns. We plan to call for an official vote by the end of this week or so for both projects. -- Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719 _______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc_______________________________________________ cncf-toc mailing list cncf-toc@... https://lists.cncf.io/mailman/listinfo/cncf-toc
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Re: RFC: containerd and rkt project proposals for CNCF
alexis richardson
All, please do take a look!
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 20:37 Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc, <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
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RFC: containerd and rkt project proposals for CNCF
Hey CNCF TOC and wider community, we have two project proposals in queue: containerd: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32 Please look them over on GitHub and raise any issues / concerns. We plan to call for an official vote by the end of this week or so for both projects. Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719
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Re: Followup: Today's CNCF TOC Call + Project Next Steps
Ihor Dvoretskyi
> It's important for CNCF to own and foster the foundational technology for cloud-native computing. Having both containerd and rkt in CNCF would be a great outcome for the CNCF, for Kubernetes, and for the container and cloud ecosystems. I second this. Having the container runtimes engines (containerd, rkt) together with the container cluster managing systems (Kubernetes) under a single foundation umbrella will bring the huge benefits for providing the solid end-user solutions.
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Brian Grant via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
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Re: https://pivotal.io/kubo
alexis richardson
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Anthony Skipper <anthony@...> wrote:
CF runs on a CaaS called Diego, it's just not very well known or used with non-CF systems. Kubernetes arguably supports more use cases already eg Openshift PaaS, and then others. I do think that, over time, the industry will prefer a decreasing number of 'standard layers' for the cloud native stack. It's not obvious how many can thrive at each layer, but I'd hope for more than one myself. And all this will take time.
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Re: https://pivotal.io/kubo
Anthony Skipper <anthony@...>
>>What I did find
interesting however is that Pivotal and CloudFoundry are explicitly and
publicly supporting Kubernetes, so hopefully that means that porting
CloudFoundry apps and tools
to Kubernetes will become easier and more mainstream over time The only viable PaaS models going forward will be PaaS on top of CaaS. With CaaS you can implement nearly any type of system, with PaaS that isn't neccessarily true. The example of this is things like low latency trading systems, which you can't really implement on any existing PaaS solution, but can be made to work on a CaaS system. So the writing is on the wall that anyone doing PaaS probably needs to replatform it ontop of CaaS.
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Quinton Hoole via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
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Re: https://pivotal.io/kubo
Solomon Hykes
Ziad, since you mentioned Docmer here is my take on your question. The type of convergence we're seeing is Kube+containerd and cloudfoundry+containerd. With the donation of containerd to CNCF underway, Docker is positioned as a direct competitor to Openshift in the enterprise container management space. Here is an example how we use it to scale Docker in swarm mode: https://blog.docker.com/2017/03/infrakit-docker-swarm-mode-fault-tolerant-self-healing-cluster/
On Friday, March 17, 2017, Afra, Ziad via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Low friction, low switching cost....interesting topics. How we manage the large "brownfield" estate is a big challenge.
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Re: https://pivotal.io/kubo
Quinton Hoole
Regarding Kubo, it’s not immediately obvious to me how useful it is in the long term (although I must stress that I’m definitely not a Cloud Foundry expert). Reading the Kubo docs it seems that it is, in essence, two pieces:
1. A TCP routing system (load balancer) to get client traffic to Kubernetes-hosted services. 2. A VM monitoring and management system (BOSH) to keep the VM’s (that Kubernetes is running on top of) deployed, healthy and scaled correctly.
In practice #1 is typically provided by a combination of the IaaS load balancers (e.g. AWS ELB, GCE LB, OpenStack LBaaS and associated plugins, etc), and Kubernetes integration with those.
#2 is usually provided by a combination of native IaaS VM auto-scaling (e.g. AWS Auto-scaling Groups, GCE Managed Instance Groups, OpenStack Autoscaling etc), and again, Kubernetes integration with those.
Hence my above question around Kubo’s long-term usefulness.
What I did find interesting however is that Pivotal and CloudFoundry are explicitly and publicly supporting Kubernetes, so hopefully that means that porting CloudFoundry apps and tools to Kubernetes will become easier and more mainstream over time (through, for example, Cloud Foundry to Kubernetes API adaptors).
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Re: https://pivotal.io/kubo
alexis richardson
which one of those is brownfield? ;-)
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 3:20 PM Afra, Ziad <ziad.afra@...> wrote: Low friction, low switching cost....interesting topics. How we manage the large "brownfield" estate is a big challenge.
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Re: https://pivotal.io/kubo
Afra, Ziad <ziad.afra@...>
Low friction, low switching cost....interesting topics. How we manage the large "brownfield" estate is a big challenge.
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What I am interested in seeing is how PCF+Kube+Docker evolves and how RH OpenShift positions itself as enterprise products to manage containers.
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From: Alexis Richardson [mailto:alexis@...] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 11:15 AM To: Afra, Ziad (MLES) Cc: cncf-toc@... Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] https://pivotal.io/kubo The lowest friction adoption path for CNCF technologies in the CF community is via add-ons, accessed via the CF service broker mechanism. Kubo is a step in that direction because existing CF users may wish to deploy Kubernetes using the same infra automation as they use for CF, ie. BOSH. This move is therefore a win win. We'll see if it gets much traction in the next few months - I hope it does. On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Afra, Ziad via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: Hi All, seen this? what is everyone’s view? =============================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html ===============================================================================
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Re: https://pivotal.io/kubo
alexis richardson
The lowest friction adoption path for CNCF technologies in the CF
community is via add-ons, accessed via the CF service broker mechanism. Kubo is a step in that direction because existing CF users may wish to deploy Kubernetes using the same infra automation as they use for CF, ie. BOSH. This move is therefore a win win. We'll see if it gets much traction in the next few months - I hope it does. On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Afra, Ziad via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote: Hi All, seen this? what is everyone’s view?
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https://pivotal.io/kubo
Afra, Ziad <ziad.afra@...>
Hi All, seen this? what is everyone’s view?
Thanks Ziad ==============================================================================
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Re: Heron
+Karthik to make sure he sees these emails as a chance to give feedback. If I recall from the call that was a question that BrianG may have asked. Karthik mentioned some things of why CNCF (vs other places) but I'll defer to him to answer any questions as he's the project representative.
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Jonathan Boulle via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
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Re: Heron
Jonathan Boulle <jonathan.boulle@...>
I would echo Brian's sentiments - I also have some concerns about Heron's cloud-native suitability and path to integration with any of the existing or proposed CNCF projects; I think it's still hard for me to understand why we're a more suitable choice than Apache. Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> schrieb am Fr., 17. März 2017, 11:56:
Moving Heron to new thread.
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Heron
alexis richardson
Moving Heron to new thread.
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All - comments on Heron? I think Brian raises some good questions about alignment with our mission (below).
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 3:56 AM, Quinton Hoole via cncf-toc
<cncf-toc@...> wrote: .. I don’t know enough about Heron and the related ecosystem to have an on that.... As for Heron, I'm not seeing the demand for Storm/Heron. For example, Google
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Re: Followup: Today's CNCF TOC Call + Project Next Steps
alexis richardson
Brian Your offer is most welcome. Let's follow up with the project leads to request a document with their full proposal, and explore timing. Alexis
On Fri, 17 Mar 2017, 03:57 Quinton Hoole via cncf-toc, <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
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Re: Followup: Today's CNCF TOC Call + Project Next Steps
Quinton Hoole
+1 for containerd and rkt. I don’t know enough about Heron and the related ecosystem to have an on that opinion yet.
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Re: Followup: Today's CNCF TOC Call + Project Next Steps
Brian Grant
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
I'd like to sponsor both containerd and rkt. It's important for CNCF to own and foster the foundational technology for cloud-native computing. Having both containerd and rkt in CNCF would be a great outcome for the CNCF, for Kubernetes, and for the container and cloud ecosystems. Kubernetes and other container orchestrators need reliable, community-driven container runtimes scoped to container execution. Each runtime has its own strengths and use cases, and I hope that induction into CNCF unlocks opportunities for broader collaboration. As for Heron, I'm not seeing the demand for Storm/Heron. For example, Google trends: Spark still has a lot of steam, and AIUI the trend (e.g., using Apache Beam) is towards unified batch and streaming. More broadly, though, I would like to see CNCF become a good home for container/orchestrator-friendly data-processing platforms, as that critical category of workloads benefits from closer integration with the underlying orchestration platform. --Brian
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Followup: Today's CNCF TOC Call + Project Next Steps
We had a full TOC meeting today with three community presentations!!!: - Heron (https://github.com/twitter/heron) by kramasamy@... - containerd (https://github.com/docker/containerd) by michael.crosby@... - rkt (https://github.com/coreos/rkt) by jonathan.boulle@... The next steps would be for a TOC member to sponsor and invite the project for a formal proposal. If you're interested in doing this, please let us know by replying here. Thanks! Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719
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Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc ---03/20/2017 02:47:57 PM---All, please do take a look! On Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 20:37 Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc, <
