Non-binding +1

+1 non-binding for me

 

Best Regards,

 

Shannon Williams

shannon@...

+1 650-521-6902

 

From: cncf-toc@... [mailto:cncf-toc@...] On Behalf Of Erin Boyd
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:00 PM
To: cncf-toc@...
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] linkerd inception project review 2018

 

+1 non-binding for me, with +1 to Brian Grant on process

 

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io <briangrant=google.com@...> wrote:

+1 from me, as well, but we need to talk about the desired process going forward

 

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:55 AM, alexis richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

Here is my 

 

+1

 

Vote 

 

 

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018, 04:36 Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io, <briangrant=google.com@...> wrote:

Contributor diversity is not an explicit criterion at the incubation stage:

 

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/process/graduation_criteria.adoc

 

 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:

I think the biggest concern is that Buoyant continues to dominate development given that other companies are generally making small patches rather than becoming major contributors. Chart:

 

https://linkerd.devstats.cncf.io/dashboard/db/companies-velocity?orgId=1

 

Please note that non-binding votes are encouraged.

--

Dan Kohn <dan@...>

Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation https://www.cncf.io

+1-415-233-1000 https://www.dankohn.com

 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Duncan Johnston-Watt <duncan.johnstonwatt@...> wrote:

I don't have a binding vote either but I am curious given linkerd's impressive stats why it isn't being promoted?

 

Best

 

Duncan

 

On 17 January 2018 at 20:59, Brandon Dimcheff via Lists.Cncf.Io <brandon=olark.com@...> wrote:

I don't have a vote, but I'd love to see linkerd remain a CNCF project.

- brandon

 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM William Morgan <william@...> wrote:

FWIW that article is not 100% correct. Linkerd ships with a control plane (Namerd). This is how these companies are controlling routing policy across Linkerd instances.

-William

 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io <briangrant=google.com@...> wrote:

Different projects make different design tradeoffs.

 

Also, these 2 projects aren't directly comparable.

 

This article explains the difference pretty well:

 

https://blog.envoyproxy.io/service-mesh-data-plane-vs-control-plane-2774e720f7fc

 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:

CNCF allows for competing projects, see our TOC principles for more information on this:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/PRINCIPLES.md#no-kingmakers--one-size-does-not-fit-all

 

Istio currently isn't an official CNCF project but has been invited to formalize a project proposal.

 

For the merits of one project over another, I'd advise you to speak to the respective project communities for that information.

 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Santosa, Andy <asantosa@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Personally, I would like to get clarification of competing component: linkerd vs istio. I learnt for example one company I met in KubeCon converting from linkerd to istio.

 

Regards,

-Andy

 

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...>
Reply-To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM
To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] linkerd inception project review 2018

 

Hey TOC and community, we are requesting a vote to keep linkerd (https://github.com/linkerd/linkerd) as an inception project for another year based on their presentation yesterday. Here are some stats shared yesterday from the linkerd community:

 

* 60+ contributors; 50+ releases (2--4 week cadence); 3400+ GH stars
* 1.5m+ Docker Hub pulls; 5--10 billion requests a day
* 1400+ Slack members
* 40+ companies using Linkerd in production. Public ones include Monzo, CreditKarma, Salesforce, Expedia, BigCommerce, NCBI, PayPal, Taboola, FOX, and AOL
* Powers the Human Genome Project!

 

Please vote +1/-1 (remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support).

 

Also note that every inception project has to be reviewed on an annual basis to decide whether it will continue to be a CNCF project or potentially graduate to another level. We will have another discussion in the near future about moving/graduating linkerd to another level, along with other CNCF projects.

 

Thanks!

 

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

 

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

 

 

 

--

Duncan Johnston-Watt

Founder & Chair, Advisory Board

Phone: +44 777 190 2653 | Skype: duncan_johnstonwatt

Twitter: @duncanjw | LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/duncanjohnstonwatt

Stay up to date with everything Cloudsoft:

 

 

 

 

+1 from me, as well, but we need to talk about the desired process going forward

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:55 AM, alexis richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

Here is my 

+1

Vote 

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018, 04:36 Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io, <briangrant=google.com@...ncf.io> wrote:

Contributor diversity is not an explicit criterion at the incubation stage:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/process/graduation_criteria.adoc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:

I think the biggest concern is that Buoyant continues to dominate development given that other companies are generally making small patches rather than becoming major contributors. Chart:

https://linkerd.devstats.cncf.io/dashboard/db/companies-velocity?orgId=1

Please note that non-binding votes are encouraged.

--

Dan Kohn <dan@...>

Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation https://www.cncf.io

+1-415-233-1000 https://www.dankohn.com

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Duncan Johnston-Watt <duncan.johnstonwatt@cloudsoftcorp.com> wrote:

I don't have a binding vote either but I am curious given linkerd's impressive stats why it isn't being promoted?

Best

Duncan

On 17 January 2018 at 20:59, Brandon Dimcheff via Lists.Cncf.Io <brandon=olark.com@....io> wrote:

I don't have a vote, but I'd love to see linkerd remain a CNCF project.

- brandon

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM William Morgan <william@...> wrote:

FWIW that article is not 100% correct. Linkerd ships with a control plane (Namerd). This is how these companies are controlling routing policy across Linkerd instances.

-William

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io <briangrant=google.com@...ncf.io> wrote:

Different projects make different design tradeoffs.

Also, these 2 projects aren't directly comparable.

This article explains the difference pretty well:

https://blog.envoyproxy.io/service-mesh-data-plane-vs-control-plane-2774e720f7fc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g> wrote:

CNCF allows for competing projects, see our TOC principles for more information on this:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/PRINCIPLES.md#no-kingmakers--one-size-does-not-fit-all

Istio currently isn't an official CNCF project but has been invited to formalize a project proposal.

For the merits of one project over another, I'd advise you to speak to the respective project communities for that information.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Santosa, Andy <asantosa@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Personally, I would like to get clarification of competing component: linkerd vs istio. I learnt for example one company I met in KubeCon converting from linkerd to istio.

Regards,

-Andy

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g>
Reply-To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM
To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] linkerd inception project review 2018

Hey TOC and community, we are requesting a vote to keep linkerd (https://github.com/linkerd/linkerd) as an inception project for another year based on their presentation yesterday. Here are some stats shared yesterday from the linkerd community:

* 60+ contributors; 50+ releases (2--4 week cadence); 3400+ GH stars
* 1.5m+ Docker Hub pulls; 5--10 billion requests a day
* 1400+ Slack members
* 40+ companies using Linkerd in production. Public ones include Monzo, CreditKarma, Salesforce, Expedia, BigCommerce, NCBI, PayPal, Taboola, FOX, and AOL
* Powers the Human Genome Project!

Please vote +1/-1 (remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support).

Also note that every inception project has to be reviewed on an annual basis to decide whether it will continue to be a CNCF project or potentially graduate to another level. We will have another discussion in the near future about moving/graduating linkerd to another level, along with other CNCF projects.

Thanks!

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Duncan Johnston-Watt

Founder & Chair, Advisory Board

Phone: +44 777 190 2653 | Skype: duncan_johnstonwatt

Twitter: @duncanjw | LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/duncanjohnstonwatt

Stay up to date with everything Cloudsoft:

Here is my 

+1

Vote 

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018, 04:36 Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io, <briangrant=google.com@lists.cncf.io> wrote:

Contributor diversity is not an explicit criterion at the incubation stage:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/process/graduation_criteria.adoc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:

I think the biggest concern is that Buoyant continues to dominate development given that other companies are generally making small patches rather than becoming major contributors. Chart:

https://linkerd.devstats.cncf.io/dashboard/db/companies-velocity?orgId=1

Please note that non-binding votes are encouraged.

--

Dan Kohn <dan@...>

Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation https://www.cncf.io

+1-415-233-1000 https://www.dankohn.com

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Duncan Johnston-Watt <duncan.johnstonwatt@cloudsoftcorp.com> wrote:

I don't have a binding vote either but I am curious given linkerd's impressive stats why it isn't being promoted?

Best

Duncan

On 17 January 2018 at 20:59, Brandon Dimcheff via Lists.Cncf.Io <brandon=olark.com@....io> wrote:

I don't have a vote, but I'd love to see linkerd remain a CNCF project.

- brandon

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM William Morgan <william@...> wrote:

FWIW that article is not 100% correct. Linkerd ships with a control plane (Namerd). This is how these companies are controlling routing policy across Linkerd instances.

-William

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io <briangrant=google.com@lists.cncf.io> wrote:

Different projects make different design tradeoffs.

Also, these 2 projects aren't directly comparable.

This article explains the difference pretty well:

https://blog.envoyproxy.io/service-mesh-data-plane-vs-control-plane-2774e720f7fc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

CNCF allows for competing projects, see our TOC principles for more information on this:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/PRINCIPLES.md#no-kingmakers--one-size-does-not-fit-all

Istio currently isn't an official CNCF project but has been invited to formalize a project proposal.

For the merits of one project over another, I'd advise you to speak to the respective project communities for that information.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Santosa, Andy <asantosa@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Personally, I would like to get clarification of competing component: linkerd vs istio. I learnt for example one company I met in KubeCon converting from linkerd to istio.

Regards,

-Andy

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org>
Reply-To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM
To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] linkerd inception project review 2018

Hey TOC and community, we are requesting a vote to keep linkerd (https://github.com/linkerd/linkerd) as an inception project for another year based on their presentation yesterday. Here are some stats shared yesterday from the linkerd community:

* 60+ contributors; 50+ releases (2--4 week cadence); 3400+ GH stars
* 1.5m+ Docker Hub pulls; 5--10 billion requests a day
* 1400+ Slack members
* 40+ companies using Linkerd in production. Public ones include Monzo, CreditKarma, Salesforce, Expedia, BigCommerce, NCBI, PayPal, Taboola, FOX, and AOL
* Powers the Human Genome Project!

Please vote +1/-1 (remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support).

Also note that every inception project has to be reviewed on an annual basis to decide whether it will continue to be a CNCF project or potentially graduate to another level. We will have another discussion in the near future about moving/graduating linkerd to another level, along with other CNCF projects.

Thanks!

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Duncan Johnston-Watt

Founder & Chair, Advisory Board

Phone: +44 777 190 2653 | Skype: duncan_johnstonwatt

Twitter: @duncanjw | LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/duncanjohnstonwatt

Stay up to date with everything Cloudsoft:

+1 non-binding.

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:55 AM, alexis richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

Here is my 

+1

Vote 

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018, 04:36 Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io, <briangrant=google.com@...ncf.io> wrote:

Contributor diversity is not an explicit criterion at the incubation stage:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/process/graduation_criteria.adoc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:

I think the biggest concern is that Buoyant continues to dominate development given that other companies are generally making small patches rather than becoming major contributors. Chart:

https://linkerd.devstats.cncf.io/dashboard/db/companies-velocity?orgId=1

Please note that non-binding votes are encouraged.

--

Dan Kohn <dan@...>

Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation https://www.cncf.io

+1-415-233-1000 https://www.dankohn.com

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Duncan Johnston-Watt <duncan.johnstonwatt@cloudsoftcorp.com> wrote:

I don't have a binding vote either but I am curious given linkerd's impressive stats why it isn't being promoted?

Best

Duncan

On 17 January 2018 at 20:59, Brandon Dimcheff via Lists.Cncf.Io <brandon=olark.com@....io> wrote:

I don't have a vote, but I'd love to see linkerd remain a CNCF project.

- brandon

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM William Morgan <william@...> wrote:

FWIW that article is not 100% correct. Linkerd ships with a control plane (Namerd). This is how these companies are controlling routing policy across Linkerd instances.

-William

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io <briangrant=google.com@...ncf.io> wrote:

Different projects make different design tradeoffs.

Also, these 2 projects aren't directly comparable.

This article explains the difference pretty well:

https://blog.envoyproxy.io/service-mesh-data-plane-vs-control-plane-2774e720f7fc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g> wrote:

CNCF allows for competing projects, see our TOC principles for more information on this:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/PRINCIPLES.md#no-kingmakers--one-size-does-not-fit-all

Istio currently isn't an official CNCF project but has been invited to formalize a project proposal.

For the merits of one project over another, I'd advise you to speak to the respective project communities for that information.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Santosa, Andy <asantosa@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Personally, I would like to get clarification of competing component: linkerd vs istio. I learnt for example one company I met in KubeCon converting from linkerd to istio.

Regards,

-Andy

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g>
Reply-To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM
To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] linkerd inception project review 2018

Hey TOC and community, we are requesting a vote to keep linkerd (https://github.com/linkerd/linkerd) as an inception project for another year based on their presentation yesterday. Here are some stats shared yesterday from the linkerd community:

* 60+ contributors; 50+ releases (2--4 week cadence); 3400+ GH stars
* 1.5m+ Docker Hub pulls; 5--10 billion requests a day
* 1400+ Slack members
* 40+ companies using Linkerd in production. Public ones include Monzo, CreditKarma, Salesforce, Expedia, BigCommerce, NCBI, PayPal, Taboola, FOX, and AOL
* Powers the Human Genome Project!

Please vote +1/-1 (remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support).

Also note that every inception project has to be reviewed on an annual basis to decide whether it will continue to be a CNCF project or potentially graduate to another level. We will have another discussion in the near future about moving/graduating linkerd to another level, along with other CNCF projects.

Thanks!

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Duncan Johnston-Watt

Founder & Chair, Advisory Board

Phone: +44 777 190 2653 | Skype: duncan_johnstonwatt

Twitter: @duncanjw | LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/duncanjohnstonwatt

Stay up to date with everything Cloudsoft:

Here is my 

+1

Vote 

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018, 04:36 Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io, <briangrant=google.com@lists.cncf.io> wrote:

Contributor diversity is not an explicit criterion at the incubation stage:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/process/graduation_criteria.adoc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:

I think the biggest concern is that Buoyant continues to dominate development given that other companies are generally making small patches rather than becoming major contributors. Chart:

https://linkerd.devstats.cncf.io/dashboard/db/companies-velocity?orgId=1

Please note that non-binding votes are encouraged.

--

Dan Kohn <dan@...>

Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation https://www.cncf.io

+1-415-233-1000 https://www.dankohn.com

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Duncan Johnston-Watt <duncan.johnstonwatt@cloudsoftcorp.com> wrote:

I don't have a binding vote either but I am curious given linkerd's impressive stats why it isn't being promoted?

Best

Duncan

On 17 January 2018 at 20:59, Brandon Dimcheff via Lists.Cncf.Io <brandon=olark.com@....io> wrote:

I don't have a vote, but I'd love to see linkerd remain a CNCF project.

- brandon

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM William Morgan <william@...> wrote:

FWIW that article is not 100% correct. Linkerd ships with a control plane (Namerd). This is how these companies are controlling routing policy across Linkerd instances.

-William

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io <briangrant=google.com@lists.cncf.io> wrote:

Different projects make different design tradeoffs.

Also, these 2 projects aren't directly comparable.

This article explains the difference pretty well:

https://blog.envoyproxy.io/service-mesh-data-plane-vs-control-plane-2774e720f7fc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

CNCF allows for competing projects, see our TOC principles for more information on this:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/PRINCIPLES.md#no-kingmakers--one-size-does-not-fit-all

Istio currently isn't an official CNCF project but has been invited to formalize a project proposal.

For the merits of one project over another, I'd advise you to speak to the respective project communities for that information.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Santosa, Andy <asantosa@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Personally, I would like to get clarification of competing component: linkerd vs istio. I learnt for example one company I met in KubeCon converting from linkerd to istio.

Regards,

-Andy

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org>
Reply-To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM
To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] linkerd inception project review 2018

Hey TOC and community, we are requesting a vote to keep linkerd (https://github.com/linkerd/linkerd) as an inception project for another year based on their presentation yesterday. Here are some stats shared yesterday from the linkerd community:

* 60+ contributors; 50+ releases (2--4 week cadence); 3400+ GH stars
* 1.5m+ Docker Hub pulls; 5--10 billion requests a day
* 1400+ Slack members
* 40+ companies using Linkerd in production. Public ones include Monzo, CreditKarma, Salesforce, Expedia, BigCommerce, NCBI, PayPal, Taboola, FOX, and AOL
* Powers the Human Genome Project!

Please vote +1/-1 (remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support).

Also note that every inception project has to be reviewed on an annual basis to decide whether it will continue to be a CNCF project or potentially graduate to another level. We will have another discussion in the near future about moving/graduating linkerd to another level, along with other CNCF projects.

Thanks!

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Duncan Johnston-Watt

Founder & Chair, Advisory Board

Phone: +44 777 190 2653 | Skype: duncan_johnstonwatt

Twitter: @duncanjw | LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/duncanjohnstonwatt

Stay up to date with everything Cloudsoft:

Contributor diversity is not an explicit criterion at the incubation stage:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/process/graduation_criteria.adoc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:

I think the biggest concern is that Buoyant continues to dominate development given that other companies are generally making small patches rather than becoming major contributors. Chart:

https://linkerd.devstats.cncf.io/dashboard/db/companies-velocity?orgId=1

Please note that non-binding votes are encouraged.

--

Dan Kohn <dan@...>

Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation https://www.cncf.io

+1-415-233-1000 https://www.dankohn.com

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Duncan Johnston-Watt <duncan.johnstonwatt@...> wrote:

I don't have a binding vote either but I am curious given linkerd's impressive stats why it isn't being promoted?

Best

Duncan

On 17 January 2018 at 20:59, Brandon Dimcheff via Lists.Cncf.Io <brandon=olark.com@...> wrote:

I don't have a vote, but I'd love to see linkerd remain a CNCF project.

- brandon

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM William Morgan <william@...> wrote:

FWIW that article is not 100% correct. Linkerd ships with a control plane (Namerd). This is how these companies are controlling routing policy across Linkerd instances.

-William

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io <briangrant=google.com@...> wrote:

Different projects make different design tradeoffs.

Also, these 2 projects aren't directly comparable.

This article explains the difference pretty well:

https://blog.envoyproxy.io/service-mesh-data-plane-vs-control-plane-2774e720f7fc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:

CNCF allows for competing projects, see our TOC principles for more information on this:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/PRINCIPLES.md#no-kingmakers--one-size-does-not-fit-all

Istio currently isn't an official CNCF project but has been invited to formalize a project proposal.

For the merits of one project over another, I'd advise you to speak to the respective project communities for that information.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Santosa, Andy <asantosa@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Personally, I would like to get clarification of competing component: linkerd vs istio. I learnt for example one company I met in KubeCon converting from linkerd to istio.

Regards,

-Andy

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...>
Reply-To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM
To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] linkerd inception project review 2018

Hey TOC and community, we are requesting a vote to keep linkerd (https://github.com/linkerd/linkerd) as an inception project for another year based on their presentation yesterday. Here are some stats shared yesterday from the linkerd community:

* 60+ contributors; 50+ releases (2--4 week cadence); 3400+ GH stars
* 1.5m+ Docker Hub pulls; 5--10 billion requests a day
* 1400+ Slack members
* 40+ companies using Linkerd in production. Public ones include Monzo, CreditKarma, Salesforce, Expedia, BigCommerce, NCBI, PayPal, Taboola, FOX, and AOL
* Powers the Human Genome Project!

Please vote +1/-1 (remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support).

Also note that every inception project has to be reviewed on an annual basis to decide whether it will continue to be a CNCF project or potentially graduate to another level. We will have another discussion in the near future about moving/graduating linkerd to another level, along with other CNCF projects.

Thanks!

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Duncan Johnston-Watt

Founder & Chair, Advisory Board

Phone: +44 777 190 2653 | Skype: duncan_johnstonwatt

Twitter: @duncanjw | LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/duncanjohnstonwatt

Stay up to date with everything Cloudsoft:

I think the biggest concern is that Buoyant continues to dominate development given that other companies are generally making small patches rather than becoming major contributors. Chart:

https://linkerd.devstats.cncf.io/dashboard/db/companies-velocity?orgId=1

Please note that non-binding votes are encouraged.

--

Dan Kohn <dan@...>

Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation https://www.cncf.io

+1-415-233-1000 https://www.dankohn.com

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Duncan Johnston-Watt <duncan.johnstonwatt@cloudsoftcorp.com> wrote:

I don't have a binding vote either but I am curious given linkerd's impressive stats why it isn't being promoted?

Best

Duncan

On 17 January 2018 at 20:59, Brandon Dimcheff via Lists.Cncf.Io <brandon=olark.com@....io> wrote:

I don't have a vote, but I'd love to see linkerd remain a CNCF project.

- brandon

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM William Morgan <william@...> wrote:

FWIW that article is not 100% correct. Linkerd ships with a control plane (Namerd). This is how these companies are controlling routing policy across Linkerd instances.

-William

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io <briangrant=google.com@...ncf.io> wrote:

Different projects make different design tradeoffs.

Also, these 2 projects aren't directly comparable.

This article explains the difference pretty well:

https://blog.envoyproxy.io/service-mesh-data-plane-vs-control-plane-2774e720f7fc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g> wrote:

CNCF allows for competing projects, see our TOC principles for more information on this:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/PRINCIPLES.md#no-kingmakers--one-size-does-not-fit-all

Istio currently isn't an official CNCF project but has been invited to formalize a project proposal.

For the merits of one project over another, I'd advise you to speak to the respective project communities for that information.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Santosa, Andy <asantosa@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Personally, I would like to get clarification of competing component: linkerd vs istio. I learnt for example one company I met in KubeCon converting from linkerd to istio.

Regards,

-Andy

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g>
Reply-To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM
To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] linkerd inception project review 2018

Hey TOC and community, we are requesting a vote to keep linkerd (https://github.com/linkerd/linkerd) as an inception project for another year based on their presentation yesterday. Here are some stats shared yesterday from the linkerd community:

* 60+ contributors; 50+ releases (2--4 week cadence); 3400+ GH stars
* 1.5m+ Docker Hub pulls; 5--10 billion requests a day
* 1400+ Slack members
* 40+ companies using Linkerd in production. Public ones include Monzo, CreditKarma, Salesforce, Expedia, BigCommerce, NCBI, PayPal, Taboola, FOX, and AOL
* Powers the Human Genome Project!

Please vote +1/-1 (remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support).

Also note that every inception project has to be reviewed on an annual basis to decide whether it will continue to be a CNCF project or potentially graduate to another level. We will have another discussion in the near future about moving/graduating linkerd to another level, along with other CNCF projects.

Thanks!

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

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Duncan Johnston-Watt

Founder & Chair, Advisory Board

Phone: +44 777 190 2653 | Skype: duncan_johnstonwatt

Twitter: @duncanjw | LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/duncanjohnstonwatt

Stay up to date with everything Cloudsoft:

I don't have a binding vote either but I am curious given linkerd's impressive stats why it isn't being promoted?

Best

Duncan

On 17 January 2018 at 20:59, Brandon Dimcheff via Lists.Cncf.Io <brandon=olark.com@....io> wrote:

I don't have a vote, but I'd love to see linkerd remain a CNCF project.

- brandon

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM William Morgan <william@...> wrote:

FWIW that article is not 100% correct. Linkerd ships with a control plane (Namerd). This is how these companies are controlling routing policy across Linkerd instances.

-William

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io <briangrant=google.com@...ncf.io> wrote:

Different projects make different design tradeoffs.

Also, these 2 projects aren't directly comparable.

This article explains the difference pretty well:

https://blog.envoyproxy.io/service-mesh-data-plane-vs-control-plane-2774e720f7fc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g> wrote:

CNCF allows for competing projects, see our TOC principles for more information on this:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/PRINCIPLES.md#no-kingmakers--one-size-does-not-fit-all

Istio currently isn't an official CNCF project but has been invited to formalize a project proposal.

For the merits of one project over another, I'd advise you to speak to the respective project communities for that information.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Santosa, Andy <asantosa@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Personally, I would like to get clarification of competing component: linkerd vs istio. I learnt for example one company I met in KubeCon converting from linkerd to istio.

Regards,

-Andy

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g>
Reply-To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM
To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] linkerd inception project review 2018

Hey TOC and community, we are requesting a vote to keep linkerd (https://github.com/linkerd/linkerd) as an inception project for another year based on their presentation yesterday. Here are some stats shared yesterday from the linkerd community:

* 60+ contributors; 50+ releases (2--4 week cadence); 3400+ GH stars
* 1.5m+ Docker Hub pulls; 5--10 billion requests a day
* 1400+ Slack members
* 40+ companies using Linkerd in production. Public ones include Monzo, CreditKarma, Salesforce, Expedia, BigCommerce, NCBI, PayPal, Taboola, FOX, and AOL
* Powers the Human Genome Project!

Please vote +1/-1 (remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support).

Also note that every inception project has to be reviewed on an annual basis to decide whether it will continue to be a CNCF project or potentially graduate to another level. We will have another discussion in the near future about moving/graduating linkerd to another level, along with other CNCF projects.

Thanks!

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Duncan Johnston-Watt

Founder & Chair, Advisory Board

Phone: +44 777 190 2653 | Skype: duncan_johnstonwatt

Twitter: @duncanjw | LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/duncanjohnstonwatt

Stay up to date with everything Cloudsoft:

I don't have a vote, but I'd love to see linkerd remain a CNCF project.

- brandon

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM William Morgan <william@...> wrote:

FWIW that article is not 100% correct. Linkerd ships with a control plane (Namerd). This is how these companies are controlling routing policy across Linkerd instances.

-William

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io <briangrant=google.com@lists.cncf.io> wrote:

Different projects make different design tradeoffs.

Also, these 2 projects aren't directly comparable.

This article explains the difference pretty well:

https://blog.envoyproxy.io/service-mesh-data-plane-vs-control-plane-2774e720f7fc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

CNCF allows for competing projects, see our TOC principles for more information on this:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/PRINCIPLES.md#no-kingmakers--one-size-does-not-fit-all

Istio currently isn't an official CNCF project but has been invited to formalize a project proposal.

For the merits of one project over another, I'd advise you to speak to the respective project communities for that information.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Santosa, Andy <asantosa@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Personally, I would like to get clarification of competing component: linkerd vs istio. I learnt for example one company I met in KubeCon converting from linkerd to istio.

Regards,

-Andy

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org>
Reply-To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM
To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] linkerd inception project review 2018

Hey TOC and community, we are requesting a vote to keep linkerd (https://github.com/linkerd/linkerd) as an inception project for another year based on their presentation yesterday. Here are some stats shared yesterday from the linkerd community:

* 60+ contributors; 50+ releases (2--4 week cadence); 3400+ GH stars
* 1.5m+ Docker Hub pulls; 5--10 billion requests a day
* 1400+ Slack members
* 40+ companies using Linkerd in production. Public ones include Monzo, CreditKarma, Salesforce, Expedia, BigCommerce, NCBI, PayPal, Taboola, FOX, and AOL
* Powers the Human Genome Project!

Please vote +1/-1 (remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support).

Also note that every inception project has to be reviewed on an annual basis to decide whether it will continue to be a CNCF project or potentially graduate to another level. We will have another discussion in the near future about moving/graduating linkerd to another level, along with other CNCF projects.

Thanks!

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

FWIW that article is not 100% correct. Linkerd ships with a control plane (Namerd). This is how these companies are controlling routing policy across Linkerd instances.

-William

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io <briangrant=google.com@...> wrote:

Different projects make different design tradeoffs.

Also, these 2 projects aren't directly comparable.

This article explains the difference pretty well:

https://blog.envoyproxy.io/service-mesh-data-plane-vs-control-plane-2774e720f7fc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:

CNCF allows for competing projects, see our TOC principles for more information on this:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/PRINCIPLES.md#no-kingmakers--one-size-does-not-fit-all

Istio currently isn't an official CNCF project but has been invited to formalize a project proposal.

For the merits of one project over another, I'd advise you to speak to the respective project communities for that information.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Santosa, Andy <asantosa@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Personally, I would like to get clarification of competing component: linkerd vs istio. I learnt for example one company I met in KubeCon converting from linkerd to istio.

Regards,

-Andy

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...>
Reply-To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM
To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] linkerd inception project review 2018

Hey TOC and community, we are requesting a vote to keep linkerd (https://github.com/linkerd/linkerd) as an inception project for another year based on their presentation yesterday. Here are some stats shared yesterday from the linkerd community:

* 60+ contributors; 50+ releases (2--4 week cadence); 3400+ GH stars
* 1.5m+ Docker Hub pulls; 5--10 billion requests a day
* 1400+ Slack members
* 40+ companies using Linkerd in production. Public ones include Monzo, CreditKarma, Salesforce, Expedia, BigCommerce, NCBI, PayPal, Taboola, FOX, and AOL
* Powers the Human Genome Project!

Please vote +1/-1 (remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support).

Also note that every inception project has to be reviewed on an annual basis to decide whether it will continue to be a CNCF project or potentially graduate to another level. We will have another discussion in the near future about moving/graduating linkerd to another level, along with other CNCF projects.

Thanks!

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

Different projects make different design tradeoffs.

Also, these 2 projects aren't directly comparable.

This article explains the difference pretty well:

https://blog.envoyproxy.io/service-mesh-data-plane-vs-control-plane-2774e720f7fc

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

CNCF allows for competing projects, see our TOC principles for more information on this:

https://github.com/cncf/toc/blob/master/PRINCIPLES.md#no-kingmakers--one-size-does-not-fit-all

Istio currently isn't an official CNCF project but has been invited to formalize a project proposal.

For the merits of one project over another, I'd advise you to speak to the respective project communities for that information.

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Santosa, Andy <asantosa@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

Personally, I would like to get clarification of competing component: linkerd vs istio. I learnt for example one company I met in KubeCon converting from linkerd to istio.

Regards,

-Andy

From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...g>
Reply-To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM
To: "cncf-toc@..." <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] linkerd inception project review 2018

Hey TOC and community, we are requesting a vote to keep linkerd (https://github.com/linkerd/linkerd) as an inception project for another year based on their presentation yesterday. Here are some stats shared yesterday from the linkerd community:

* 60+ contributors; 50+ releases (2--4 week cadence); 3400+ GH stars
* 1.5m+ Docker Hub pulls; 5--10 billion requests a day
* 1400+ Slack members
* 40+ companies using Linkerd in production. Public ones include Monzo, CreditKarma, Salesforce, Expedia, BigCommerce, NCBI, PayPal, Taboola, FOX, and AOL
* Powers the Human Genome Project!

Please vote +1/-1 (remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support).

Also note that every inception project has to be reviewed on an annual basis to decide whether it will continue to be a CNCF project or potentially graduate to another level. We will have another discussion in the near future about moving/graduating linkerd to another level, along with other CNCF projects.

Thanks!

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

--

Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719

"Why are we doing this in 2 steps? This is just a "yes, we want to
keep the project" decision?"

agreed, Chris, what's your thinking here?

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Brian Grant via Lists.Cncf.Io
<briangrant=google.com@lists.cncf.io> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 8:38 AM, Chris Aniszczyk
> <caniszczyk@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey TOC and community, we are requesting a vote to keep linkerd
>> (https://github.com/linkerd/linkerd) as an inception project for another
>> year based on their presentation yesterday. Here are some stats shared
>> yesterday from the linkerd community:
>>
>> * 60+ contributors; 50+ releases (2--4 week cadence); 3400+ GH stars
>
>
> In general, I'd like to link to devstats dashboards in these types of
> reviews, so we can see the trajectory. For example:
>
> https://linkerd.devstats.cncf.io/dashboard/db/contributing-companies?orgId=1&var-period=q4&var-repogroup_name=All&var-repogroup=all
> https://linkerd.devstats.cncf.io/dashboard/db/companies-velocity?orgId=1&var-period=m&var-repogroup_name=All&var-repogroup=all&var-companies=All
> https://linkerd.devstats.cncf.io/dashboard/db/prs-merged?orgId=1&var-period=m&var-repos=All
> https://linkerd.devstats.cncf.io/dashboard/db/community-stats?orgId=1&var-period=q&var-repogroup_name=All&var-repogroup=all
>
>>
>> * 1.5m+ Docker Hub pulls; 5--10 billion requests a day
>> * 1400+ Slack members
>> * 40+ companies using Linkerd in production. Public ones include Monzo,
>> CreditKarma, Salesforce, Expedia, BigCommerce, NCBI, PayPal, Taboola, FOX,
>> and AOL
>> * Powers the Human Genome Project!
>>
>> Please vote +1/-1 (remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do
>> appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support).
>>
>> Also note that every inception project has to be reviewed on an annual
>> basis to decide whether it will continue to be a CNCF project or potentially
>> graduate to another level. We will have another discussion in the near
>> future about moving/graduating linkerd to another level, along with other
>> CNCF projects.
>
>
> Why are we doing this in 2 steps? This is just a "yes, we want to keep the
> project" decision?
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719
>
>
>