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Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Davanum Srinivas
 

Max,

+1 to "Environmental Conservation WG" as the name and the initial tasks.

-- Dims


On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 2:01 PM Max Koerbaecher <max@...> wrote:
Hello all,

thank you for having me at the TOC meeting yesterday and for the chance as well as the discussion on our proposal.
As a result of yesterday's discussion I first would like to put a renaming into the room:
"Environmental Conservation WG"

Following the recommendation, we would start as a working group also we see that there are a lot of jobs to be done, to oversight any project is at this time not part of it/too early and therefore not suitable for a TAG. Might change in the future.

Some of the initial task I see:
  • craft a team for the WG (I got already a couple of private messages and notes of interest)
  • scoping the activities - as mentioned in the meeting we see many dimensions, possibilities and ways of acting. an output here can be a kind of roadmap as well as a cloud native environmental impact map (work in this direction is generally done and need some CN spicing)
  • depending on the size of the team as well as the scoped activities, I would like to have the WG being active actually in to three directions
  • 1. towards the CNCF projects - did they worked already on something for improving their environment footprint? what are the problems they see? what is needed to overcome potential issues? etc.
  • 2. towards the enduser - as mentioned a key for this topic is awareness, and the our enduser are one/some of the strongest multiplicators. What are their current state? How OSS can help? Can we include this topic to the CNCF survey?
  • 3. bridging existing foundations and project - there are many initiatives out there, how we can bring them to our community? where we have a common sense? what is difficult for them to grow adoption? Lets learn from each other and be a vehicle for existing implementations/researches etc.
Sorry for the long email. I'm looking forward to your feedback, and your guidance to get the things started :)

Best
Max



Am Fr., 25. März 2022 um 01:33 Uhr schrieb Jaime Magiera <jaimelm@...>:
I’d be interested in contributing to this TAG, whatever the name will be. 

Jaime Magiera
DevOps Engineer Senior
ICPSR

"If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea." 
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

On Mar 19, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Max Koerbaecher <max@...> wrote:

Dear TOC,

we would like to propose you a new TAG. 

Sustainability is a growing and important topic and can be done effectively only if everyone delivers their part to it. The data centers' global energy consumption, and therefore the reason for CO2 emission, is around 2%. That maybe doesn't sound a lot but is equivalent to Canada or Germany, and is also bigger than the emissions caused by airplanes. 

At the same time, open source gets relevant momentum and can be found in many system implementations or is the foundation modern systems are built on. That's why we would like to propose you the TAG Sustainability. We as a community can lay the foundation for sustainable software, sustainable open source projects and best practices to deliver our part for a positive change in the future.

Please find our proposal here:

We would be more than happy to discuss this with you in the next TOC about the TAG. By questions feel free to reach out to us.

Best regards
Max



--
Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Max Koerbaecher <max@...>
 

Hello all,

thank you for having me at the TOC meeting yesterday and for the chance as well as the discussion on our proposal.
As a result of yesterday's discussion I first would like to put a renaming into the room:
"Environmental Conservation WG"

Following the recommendation, we would start as a working group also we see that there are a lot of jobs to be done, to oversight any project is at this time not part of it/too early and therefore not suitable for a TAG. Might change in the future.

Some of the initial task I see:
  • craft a team for the WG (I got already a couple of private messages and notes of interest)
  • scoping the activities - as mentioned in the meeting we see many dimensions, possibilities and ways of acting. an output here can be a kind of roadmap as well as a cloud native environmental impact map (work in this direction is generally done and need some CN spicing)
  • depending on the size of the team as well as the scoped activities, I would like to have the WG being active actually in to three directions
  • 1. towards the CNCF projects - did they worked already on something for improving their environment footprint? what are the problems they see? what is needed to overcome potential issues? etc.
  • 2. towards the enduser - as mentioned a key for this topic is awareness, and the our enduser are one/some of the strongest multiplicators. What are their current state? How OSS can help? Can we include this topic to the CNCF survey?
  • 3. bridging existing foundations and project - there are many initiatives out there, how we can bring them to our community? where we have a common sense? what is difficult for them to grow adoption? Lets learn from each other and be a vehicle for existing implementations/researches etc.
Sorry for the long email. I'm looking forward to your feedback, and your guidance to get the things started :)

Best
Max



Am Fr., 25. März 2022 um 01:33 Uhr schrieb Jaime Magiera <jaimelm@...>:

I’d be interested in contributing to this TAG, whatever the name will be. 

Jaime Magiera
DevOps Engineer Senior
ICPSR

"If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea." 
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

On Mar 19, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Max Koerbaecher <max@...> wrote:

Dear TOC,

we would like to propose you a new TAG. 

Sustainability is a growing and important topic and can be done effectively only if everyone delivers their part to it. The data centers' global energy consumption, and therefore the reason for CO2 emission, is around 2%. That maybe doesn't sound a lot but is equivalent to Canada or Germany, and is also bigger than the emissions caused by airplanes. 

At the same time, open source gets relevant momentum and can be found in many system implementations or is the foundation modern systems are built on. That's why we would like to propose you the TAG Sustainability. We as a community can lay the foundation for sustainable software, sustainable open source projects and best practices to deliver our part for a positive change in the future.

Please find our proposal here:

We would be more than happy to discuss this with you in the next TOC about the TAG. By questions feel free to reach out to us.

Best regards
Max
Agenda for 4/5 meeting

Amye Scavarda Perrin
 

Hi all, 
We'll be meeting tomorrow at 8am Pacific.  

Presentation: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1E64HYZj1oVsNHd099x-uR8yGZ4VLTNYLextJiN8l5RQ/edit#slide=id.g25ca91f87f_0_0

Direct meeting agenda: 
  • Proposed TAG
TAG Updates:
  • TAG-App Delivery
  • TAG-Contributor Strategy
  • TAG-Network
  • TAG-Observability
  • TAG-Runtime
  • TAG Security
  • TAG-Storage
Projects applying to move levels

--
Amye Scavarda Perrin | Director of Developer Programs, CNCF | amye@...
Re: CubeFS (formerly ChubaoFS) Incubation Proposal - Public Comment

lixiang12407@...
 

+1 NB
Re: CubeFS (formerly ChubaoFS) Incubation Proposal - Public Comment

wuchunhuan@...
 

+1 NB
Re: CubeFS (formerly ChubaoFS) Incubation Proposal - Public Comment

fanzhi4975@...
 

+1 VG
Re: CubeFS (formerly ChubaoFS) Incubation Proposal - Public Comment

coderlxl@...
 

+1 NB
Re: CubeFS (formerly ChubaoFS) Incubation Proposal - Public Comment

常亮(leonchang)
 

+1 NB
CubeFS (formerly ChubaoFS) Incubation Proposal - Public Comment

Lei Zhang
 

Hi all,

We are opening the public comment period for the proposal of CubeFS (formerly ChubaoFS) to progress at the CNCF as an Incubating project.

- TOC PR proposal: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/586
- Presentation to CNCF TAG: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1TuBXEmGTSE5wLXOi5rA1FmpT-Nxj5afzI3snamQUWx0/edit
- GitHub: https://github.com/cubeFS/cubefs

Due Diligence doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WDJEeRDO8pHAetyCbU7TftZfvxSATc3bsLj7VJeNoJ0/edit#

Thanks,

Lei Zhang (Harry)
CNCF Tech Writers Office Hours (March)

Nate Waddington <nwaddington@...>
 

Hello Everyone,

Sorry for the late notice!

On the last Wednesday of every month, and in this case, today, we host a CNCF Tech Writers Office Hours. Projects are welcome to drop in and chat with the Tech Docs team about any documentation questions they might have.

Wed March 30 10:00am - 10:50am (PST) — this starts in about 45 minutes from when this email was sent.

https://tockify.com/cncf.public.events/detail/270/1648659600000

Hope to see you there!

Cheers,
Nate.
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Jaime Magiera
 

I’d be interested in contributing to this TAG, whatever the name will be. 

Jaime Magiera
DevOps Engineer Senior
ICPSR

"If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea." 
-- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

On Mar 19, 2022, at 8:06 AM, Max Koerbaecher <max@...> wrote:

Dear TOC,

we would like to propose you a new TAG. 

Sustainability is a growing and important topic and can be done effectively only if everyone delivers their part to it. The data centers' global energy consumption, and therefore the reason for CO2 emission, is around 2%. That maybe doesn't sound a lot but is equivalent to Canada or Germany, and is also bigger than the emissions caused by airplanes. 

At the same time, open source gets relevant momentum and can be found in many system implementations or is the foundation modern systems are built on. That's why we would like to propose you the TAG Sustainability. We as a community can lay the foundation for sustainable software, sustainable open source projects and best practices to deliver our part for a positive change in the future.

Please find our proposal here:

We would be more than happy to discuss this with you in the next TOC about the TAG. By questions feel free to reach out to us.

Best regards
Max

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TOC Liaisons for TAGs update

Davanum Srinivas
 

Folks,

After the recent elections (for TOC), we have updated the table here:

thanks,
Dims

--
Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Ricardo Aravena
 


It's a great initiative.

It would be good to understand if there are any projects that would fall in the scope of the proposed TAG.  I also wonder if those types of projects have an overlap with FinOps.

The part that deals with creating standards and guidelines for the reduction of the CO₂ footprint of the projects and data centers appears more like a working group to me. 

Additionally, to echo Bob's comment, the use of the 'sustainability' term is a bit confusing. Is it related to long term sustainability of the project itself?  Or is it related to sustainability of data centers and reducing the CO₂ footprint?

My two cents.

Thanks,
Ricardo


On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:31 PM Josh Berkus <jberkus@...> wrote:
On 3/22/22 06:14, Bob Killen wrote:
> I would also recommend a potentially different name than sustainability
> or expand it to something like environmental-sustainability. I know it
> aligns with the effort, but in OSS, "sustainability" is associated much
> more with contributor or project health than environmental/economic
> impact. I could see significant confusion otherwise =/

Given that this proposal has to do with environmental sustainability, I
don't see a place for it in Contributor Strategy.

I agree that the name should be workshopped to avoid that confusion in
the future.

--
-- Josh Berkus
    TAG Contributor Strategy Co-Chair
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Josh Berkus
 

On 3/22/22 06:14, Bob Killen wrote:
I would also recommend a potentially different name than sustainability or expand it to something like environmental-sustainability. I know it aligns with the effort, but in OSS, "sustainability" is associated much more with contributor or project health than environmental/economic impact. I could see significant confusion otherwise =/
Given that this proposal has to do with environmental sustainability, I don't see a place for it in Contributor Strategy.

I agree that the name should be workshopped to avoid that confusion in the future.

--
-- Josh Berkus
TAG Contributor Strategy Co-Chair
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Max Koerbaecher <max@...>
 

Thank you Bob!
We discussed the wording for some time and wanted to keep it simple. However, I believe we can find the right prefix for it.

But, I have to disagree that sustainability, as a concept, has something to do with the TAG Contributor Strategy. I know it is written as the statement for the TAG, but I understand it as just for its word, and could be replaced with "we want to sponsor a long-lasting relationship with our contributors". On the other hand, throwing sustainability and ICT, cloud, computing, software into a search engine, will point you always to topics of energy consumption, computing effectiveness, and CO2 outputs.  

I believe this could start as a WG. But "Sustainability" scratches on a huge variety of topics that could be broken down into different WG. 

Am Di., 22. März 2022 um 14:14 Uhr schrieb Bob Killen <killen.bob@...>:

I applaud the effort, but if this is contributor focused, would it make more sense to be a working group under TAG Contributor Strategy? or potentially an independent working group? - "The end result of a working group may be a new project proposal, landscape, whitepaper or even a report detailing their findings. The intention of working groups is not to host a full project or specification[1]".

I would also recommend a potentially different name than sustainability or expand it to something like environmental-sustainability. I know it aligns with the effort, but in OSS, "sustainability" is associated much more with contributor or project health than environmental/economic impact. I could see significant confusion otherwise =/

Cheers,
- Bob


On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 5:55 AM Chris Short via lists.cncf.io <chris=chrisshort.net@...> wrote:
Oh cool!
He/Him/His
TZ=America/Detroit


On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:49 AM Max Koerbaecher <max@...> wrote:
Dear TOC,

we would like to propose you a new TAG. 

Sustainability is a growing and important topic and can be done effectively only if everyone delivers their part to it. The data centers' global energy consumption, and therefore the reason for CO2 emission, is around 2%. That maybe doesn't sound a lot but is equivalent to Canada or Germany, and is also bigger than the emissions caused by airplanes. 

At the same time, open source gets relevant momentum and can be found in many system implementations or is the foundation modern systems are built on. That's why we would like to propose you the TAG Sustainability. We as a community can lay the foundation for sustainable software, sustainable open source projects and best practices to deliver our part for a positive change in the future.

Please find our proposal here:

We would be more than happy to discuss this with you in the next TOC about the TAG. By questions feel free to reach out to us.

Best regards
Max
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Wojtek Cichoń
 

+1 for change to for example "Climate sustainability"?

Re: Contributor-focused. I think this goes a lot further than just contributing code. First, we need to raise awareness of the issue and make sure that the outcomes of the TAG overlap with the product and business goals, so a lot of internal/external comms will be involved.
All the best!
Re: Proposal TAG Sustainability

Bob Killen
 

I applaud the effort, but if this is contributor focused, would it make more sense to be a working group under TAG Contributor Strategy? or potentially an independent working group? - "The end result of a working group may be a new project proposal, landscape, whitepaper or even a report detailing their findings. The intention of working groups is not to host a full project or specification[1]".

I would also recommend a potentially different name than sustainability or expand it to something like environmental-sustainability. I know it aligns with the effort, but in OSS, "sustainability" is associated much more with contributor or project health than environmental/economic impact. I could see significant confusion otherwise =/

Cheers,
- Bob


On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 5:55 AM Chris Short via lists.cncf.io <chris=chrisshort.net@...> wrote:
Oh cool!
He/Him/His
TZ=America/Detroit


On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:49 AM Max Koerbaecher <max@...> wrote:
Dear TOC,

we would like to propose you a new TAG. 

Sustainability is a growing and important topic and can be done effectively only if everyone delivers their part to it. The data centers' global energy consumption, and therefore the reason for CO2 emission, is around 2%. That maybe doesn't sound a lot but is equivalent to Canada or Germany, and is also bigger than the emissions caused by airplanes. 

At the same time, open source gets relevant momentum and can be found in many system implementations or is the foundation modern systems are built on. That's why we would like to propose you the TAG Sustainability. We as a community can lay the foundation for sustainable software, sustainable open source projects and best practices to deliver our part for a positive change in the future.

Please find our proposal here:

We would be more than happy to discuss this with you in the next TOC about the TAG. By questions feel free to reach out to us.

Best regards
Max
Re: TOC Election Results for the TOC chosen seat

alexis richardson
 

+1

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 8:41 PM Erin Boyd <eboyd@...> wrote:
Welcome back, Katie!

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 9:58 AM Katie Gamanji <gamanjie@...> wrote:
Thank you all for the warm welcome!

Also, thank you for all of your hard work Alena! It's been great to have you as a community leader in the cloud native space.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Richard Hartmann <richih@...> wrote:
Thanks a _lot_, Alena!

Welcome (back), Katie :)





--

Erin A. Boyd

Director of Emerging Technologies OCTO

Distinguished Engineer

Red Hat

eboyd@...   

Re: TOC Election Results for the TOC chosen seat

Erin Boyd
 

Welcome back, Katie!

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 9:58 AM Katie Gamanji <gamanjie@...> wrote:
Thank you all for the warm welcome!

Also, thank you for all of your hard work Alena! It's been great to have you as a community leader in the cloud native space.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Richard Hartmann <richih@...> wrote:
Thanks a _lot_, Alena!

Welcome (back), Katie :)





--

Erin A. Boyd

Director of Emerging Technologies OCTO

Distinguished Engineer

Red Hat

eboyd@...   

Re: TOC Election Results for the TOC chosen seat

Katie Gamanji
 

Thank you all for the warm welcome!

Also, thank you for all of your hard work Alena! It's been great to have you as a community leader in the cloud native space.


On Sat, Mar 19, 2022 at 9:21 AM Richard Hartmann <richih@...> wrote:
Thanks a _lot_, Alena!

Welcome (back), Katie :)
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