Re: [cncf-gb] GB-TOC joint meeting
Kris Nova <kris.nova@...>
Yeah I see that you documented hiding the GB meetings - but can we open this up? This is an open-source foundation after all - and given the state of the world right now it might be wise to encourage sharing instead of hiding. I am wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are? Can we share the GB slides right now?
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:08 AM Chris Aniszczyk < caniszczyk@...> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:00 AM Kris Nova < kris.nova@...> wrote: Any way we can share them? I would be interested in seeing what happens there.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:52 AM Dan Kohn < dan@...> wrote: Apologies, those GB slides aren't public, but Liz's TOC slides are:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:41 AM Kris Nova < kris.nova@...> wrote: Hi,
I am unable to access those slides. Can we please share?
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:36 AM Ginger Collison < ginger@...> wrote: Thanks, Alexis.
-g
Ginger Collison | NATS Community & Ecosystem
Maintained by the good people of Synadia Communications, Inc.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 2:12 PM alexis richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Please can I put in a word for Nats, and its backers. I think many
others are in a similar situation or could be.
Some projects have a core that is driven by a single vendor (ISV). We
need to make sure that ISVs have a happy path all the way through CNCF
- and an 'end game'. They are a vital source of innovation, software
support, community creation. Their posture to OSS projects can be
different from Big IT, eg it can be less inhibited.
Historically foundations have been good at creating a way for big
vendors to work on one codebase, alongside a community of individual
contributors. Long may this continue.
More recently CNCF and to some extent CFF have worked hard to bring in
End Users, as we call large companies who are not in the business of
selling software or SaaS, but who can make it (much) better through
their use of that software and iteration therefrom. This is Fantastic
and for me a key step forward CNCF has taken eg with great projects
like Prometheus, Envoy and now Argo that come from end user tech
firms. Innovation can now come from end users *and be driven into the
mainstream*.
But there is a fourth "leg of the table" in this new level playing
field of Big IT, Big End Users, and individuals. That leg is ISVs
(and SIs) who may be backed customers and/or VCs. We need these ISVs
and their backers to be actively investing in the foundation, or they
will find a way to exist independent of the commons. Our loss is our
community's loss.
Let's make sure that we are super clear on *what and why* we want from
multiple maintainers at graduation. For me the outstanding
consideration is that a project should survive wipe out of the team.
An ISV could get "more maintainers" from end user firms, and graduate
its project. Is it then risk-free? NO. So what are we trying to
achieve?
I'm just throwing this out here to start the debate. I have failed to
find a clear set of answers on my own or in conversation with others
who care about this.
alexis
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:11 PM Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks. Added as slides 127-128 of https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JnK8XKxFV2xQJT_fumzUedLhscP-w0CZ-Qs8URjbCG4/.
> --
> Dan Kohn <dan@...> +1-415-233-1000
> Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation cncf.io
> dankohn.com or book on my calendar: dankohn.com/c
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:51 PM Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Looking forward to meeting with you all tomorrow. We have two slides (minimalist design!) highlighting the TOC priorities we'd like to discuss in the joint GB-TOC session: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xhuwdKfkh1ROGk_JE6n0mf9xHOWKNFeKeRFGFirHHoY
>>
>> Hope everyone is staying well,
>> Liz
>>
>> --
>> Liz Rice
>> @lizrice | lizrice.com | +44 (0) 780 126 1145
>
>
--
Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate
85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105
--
Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate
85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105
--
Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719
-- Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate
85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105
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Re: [cncf-gb] GB-TOC joint meeting
An idea might be to keep the option of having a few topics stay private. The TOC found this much easier to share thoughts candidly at times and hence form a collective view quickly. At the same time almost all matters benefit from being publicly aired.
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Yeah I see that you documented hiding the GB meetings - but can we open this up? This is an open-source foundation after all - and given the state of the world right now it might be wise to encourage sharing instead of hiding. I am wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are? Can we share the GB slides right now?
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:08 AM Chris Aniszczyk < caniszczyk@...> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:00 AM Kris Nova < kris.nova@...> wrote: Any way we can share them? I would be interested in seeing what happens there.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:52 AM Dan Kohn < dan@...> wrote: Apologies, those GB slides aren't public, but Liz's TOC slides are:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:41 AM Kris Nova < kris.nova@...> wrote: Hi,
I am unable to access those slides. Can we please share?
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:36 AM Ginger Collison < ginger@...> wrote: Thanks, Alexis.
-g
Ginger Collison | NATS Community & Ecosystem
Maintained by the good people of Synadia Communications, Inc.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 2:12 PM alexis richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Please can I put in a word for Nats, and its backers. I think many
others are in a similar situation or could be.
Some projects have a core that is driven by a single vendor (ISV). We
need to make sure that ISVs have a happy path all the way through CNCF
- and an 'end game'. They are a vital source of innovation, software
support, community creation. Their posture to OSS projects can be
different from Big IT, eg it can be less inhibited.
Historically foundations have been good at creating a way for big
vendors to work on one codebase, alongside a community of individual
contributors. Long may this continue.
More recently CNCF and to some extent CFF have worked hard to bring in
End Users, as we call large companies who are not in the business of
selling software or SaaS, but who can make it (much) better through
their use of that software and iteration therefrom. This is Fantastic
and for me a key step forward CNCF has taken eg with great projects
like Prometheus, Envoy and now Argo that come from end user tech
firms. Innovation can now come from end users *and be driven into the
mainstream*.
But there is a fourth "leg of the table" in this new level playing
field of Big IT, Big End Users, and individuals. That leg is ISVs
(and SIs) who may be backed customers and/or VCs. We need these ISVs
and their backers to be actively investing in the foundation, or they
will find a way to exist independent of the commons. Our loss is our
community's loss.
Let's make sure that we are super clear on *what and why* we want from
multiple maintainers at graduation. For me the outstanding
consideration is that a project should survive wipe out of the team.
An ISV could get "more maintainers" from end user firms, and graduate
its project. Is it then risk-free? NO. So what are we trying to
achieve?
I'm just throwing this out here to start the debate. I have failed to
find a clear set of answers on my own or in conversation with others
who care about this.
alexis
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:11 PM Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks. Added as slides 127-128 of https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JnK8XKxFV2xQJT_fumzUedLhscP-w0CZ-Qs8URjbCG4/.
> --
> Dan Kohn <dan@...> +1-415-233-1000
> Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation cncf.io
> dankohn.com or book on my calendar: dankohn.com/c
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:51 PM Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Looking forward to meeting with you all tomorrow. We have two slides (minimalist design!) highlighting the TOC priorities we'd like to discuss in the joint GB-TOC session: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xhuwdKfkh1ROGk_JE6n0mf9xHOWKNFeKeRFGFirHHoY
>>
>> Hope everyone is staying well,
>> Liz
>>
>> --
>> Liz Rice
>> @lizrice | lizrice.com | +44 (0) 780 126 1145
>
>
--
Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate
85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105
--
Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate
85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105
--
Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719
--
Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate
85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105
|
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Re: [cncf-gb] GB-TOC joint meeting

Chris Aniszczyk
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:00 AM Kris Nova < kris.nova@...> wrote: Any way we can share them? I would be interested in seeing what happens there.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:52 AM Dan Kohn < dan@...> wrote: Apologies, those GB slides aren't public, but Liz's TOC slides are:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:41 AM Kris Nova < kris.nova@...> wrote: Hi,
I am unable to access those slides. Can we please share?
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:36 AM Ginger Collison < ginger@...> wrote: Thanks, Alexis.
-g
Ginger Collison | NATS Community & Ecosystem
Maintained by the good people of Synadia Communications, Inc.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 2:12 PM alexis richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Please can I put in a word for Nats, and its backers. I think many
others are in a similar situation or could be.
Some projects have a core that is driven by a single vendor (ISV). We
need to make sure that ISVs have a happy path all the way through CNCF
- and an 'end game'. They are a vital source of innovation, software
support, community creation. Their posture to OSS projects can be
different from Big IT, eg it can be less inhibited.
Historically foundations have been good at creating a way for big
vendors to work on one codebase, alongside a community of individual
contributors. Long may this continue.
More recently CNCF and to some extent CFF have worked hard to bring in
End Users, as we call large companies who are not in the business of
selling software or SaaS, but who can make it (much) better through
their use of that software and iteration therefrom. This is Fantastic
and for me a key step forward CNCF has taken eg with great projects
like Prometheus, Envoy and now Argo that come from end user tech
firms. Innovation can now come from end users *and be driven into the
mainstream*.
But there is a fourth "leg of the table" in this new level playing
field of Big IT, Big End Users, and individuals. That leg is ISVs
(and SIs) who may be backed customers and/or VCs. We need these ISVs
and their backers to be actively investing in the foundation, or they
will find a way to exist independent of the commons. Our loss is our
community's loss.
Let's make sure that we are super clear on *what and why* we want from
multiple maintainers at graduation. For me the outstanding
consideration is that a project should survive wipe out of the team.
An ISV could get "more maintainers" from end user firms, and graduate
its project. Is it then risk-free? NO. So what are we trying to
achieve?
I'm just throwing this out here to start the debate. I have failed to
find a clear set of answers on my own or in conversation with others
who care about this.
alexis
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:11 PM Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks. Added as slides 127-128 of https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JnK8XKxFV2xQJT_fumzUedLhscP-w0CZ-Qs8URjbCG4/.
> --
> Dan Kohn <dan@...> +1-415-233-1000
> Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation cncf.io
> dankohn.com or book on my calendar: dankohn.com/c
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:51 PM Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Looking forward to meeting with you all tomorrow. We have two slides (minimalist design!) highlighting the TOC priorities we'd like to discuss in the joint GB-TOC session: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xhuwdKfkh1ROGk_JE6n0mf9xHOWKNFeKeRFGFirHHoY
>>
>> Hope everyone is staying well,
>> Liz
>>
>> --
>> Liz Rice
>> @lizrice | lizrice.com | +44 (0) 780 126 1145
>
>
--
Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate
85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105
--
Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate
85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105
-- Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719
|
|
Re: [cncf-gb] GB-TOC joint meeting
Kris Nova <kris.nova@...>
Any way we can share them? I would be interested in seeing what happens there.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:52 AM Dan Kohn < dan@...> wrote: Apologies, those GB slides aren't public, but Liz's TOC slides are:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:41 AM Kris Nova < kris.nova@...> wrote: Hi,
I am unable to access those slides. Can we please share?
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:36 AM Ginger Collison < ginger@...> wrote: Thanks, Alexis.
-g
Ginger Collison | NATS Community & Ecosystem
Maintained by the good people of Synadia Communications, Inc.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 2:12 PM alexis richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Please can I put in a word for Nats, and its backers. I think many
others are in a similar situation or could be.
Some projects have a core that is driven by a single vendor (ISV). We
need to make sure that ISVs have a happy path all the way through CNCF
- and an 'end game'. They are a vital source of innovation, software
support, community creation. Their posture to OSS projects can be
different from Big IT, eg it can be less inhibited.
Historically foundations have been good at creating a way for big
vendors to work on one codebase, alongside a community of individual
contributors. Long may this continue.
More recently CNCF and to some extent CFF have worked hard to bring in
End Users, as we call large companies who are not in the business of
selling software or SaaS, but who can make it (much) better through
their use of that software and iteration therefrom. This is Fantastic
and for me a key step forward CNCF has taken eg with great projects
like Prometheus, Envoy and now Argo that come from end user tech
firms. Innovation can now come from end users *and be driven into the
mainstream*.
But there is a fourth "leg of the table" in this new level playing
field of Big IT, Big End Users, and individuals. That leg is ISVs
(and SIs) who may be backed customers and/or VCs. We need these ISVs
and their backers to be actively investing in the foundation, or they
will find a way to exist independent of the commons. Our loss is our
community's loss.
Let's make sure that we are super clear on *what and why* we want from
multiple maintainers at graduation. For me the outstanding
consideration is that a project should survive wipe out of the team.
An ISV could get "more maintainers" from end user firms, and graduate
its project. Is it then risk-free? NO. So what are we trying to
achieve?
I'm just throwing this out here to start the debate. I have failed to
find a clear set of answers on my own or in conversation with others
who care about this.
alexis
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:11 PM Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks. Added as slides 127-128 of https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JnK8XKxFV2xQJT_fumzUedLhscP-w0CZ-Qs8URjbCG4/.
> --
> Dan Kohn <dan@...> +1-415-233-1000
> Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation cncf.io
> dankohn.com or book on my calendar: dankohn.com/c
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:51 PM Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Looking forward to meeting with you all tomorrow. We have two slides (minimalist design!) highlighting the TOC priorities we'd like to discuss in the joint GB-TOC session: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xhuwdKfkh1ROGk_JE6n0mf9xHOWKNFeKeRFGFirHHoY
>>
>> Hope everyone is staying well,
>> Liz
>>
>> --
>> Liz Rice
>> @lizrice | lizrice.com | +44 (0) 780 126 1145
>
>
--
Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate
85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105
-- Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate
85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105
|
|
Re: [cncf-gb] GB-TOC joint meeting
Kris Nova <kris.nova@...>
Hi,
I am unable to access those slides. Can we please share?
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:36 AM Ginger Collison < ginger@...> wrote: Thanks, Alexis.
-g
Ginger Collison | NATS Community & Ecosystem
Maintained by the good people of Synadia Communications, Inc.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 2:12 PM alexis richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Please can I put in a word for Nats, and its backers. I think many
others are in a similar situation or could be.
Some projects have a core that is driven by a single vendor (ISV). We
need to make sure that ISVs have a happy path all the way through CNCF
- and an 'end game'. They are a vital source of innovation, software
support, community creation. Their posture to OSS projects can be
different from Big IT, eg it can be less inhibited.
Historically foundations have been good at creating a way for big
vendors to work on one codebase, alongside a community of individual
contributors. Long may this continue.
More recently CNCF and to some extent CFF have worked hard to bring in
End Users, as we call large companies who are not in the business of
selling software or SaaS, but who can make it (much) better through
their use of that software and iteration therefrom. This is Fantastic
and for me a key step forward CNCF has taken eg with great projects
like Prometheus, Envoy and now Argo that come from end user tech
firms. Innovation can now come from end users *and be driven into the
mainstream*.
But there is a fourth "leg of the table" in this new level playing
field of Big IT, Big End Users, and individuals. That leg is ISVs
(and SIs) who may be backed customers and/or VCs. We need these ISVs
and their backers to be actively investing in the foundation, or they
will find a way to exist independent of the commons. Our loss is our
community's loss.
Let's make sure that we are super clear on *what and why* we want from
multiple maintainers at graduation. For me the outstanding
consideration is that a project should survive wipe out of the team.
An ISV could get "more maintainers" from end user firms, and graduate
its project. Is it then risk-free? NO. So what are we trying to
achieve?
I'm just throwing this out here to start the debate. I have failed to
find a clear set of answers on my own or in conversation with others
who care about this.
alexis
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:11 PM Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks. Added as slides 127-128 of https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JnK8XKxFV2xQJT_fumzUedLhscP-w0CZ-Qs8URjbCG4/.
> --
> Dan Kohn <dan@...> +1-415-233-1000
> Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation cncf.io
> dankohn.com or book on my calendar: dankohn.com/c
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:51 PM Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Looking forward to meeting with you all tomorrow. We have two slides (minimalist design!) highlighting the TOC priorities we'd like to discuss in the joint GB-TOC session: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xhuwdKfkh1ROGk_JE6n0mf9xHOWKNFeKeRFGFirHHoY
>>
>> Hope everyone is staying well,
>> Liz
>>
>> --
>> Liz Rice
>> @lizrice | lizrice.com | +44 (0) 780 126 1145
>
>
-- Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate
85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105
|
|
Re: [cncf-gb] GB-TOC joint meeting
Apologies, those GB slides aren't public, but Liz's TOC slides are:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:41 AM Kris Nova < kris.nova@...> wrote: Hi,
I am unable to access those slides. Can we please share?
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:36 AM Ginger Collison < ginger@...> wrote: Thanks, Alexis.
-g
Ginger Collison | NATS Community & Ecosystem
Maintained by the good people of Synadia Communications, Inc.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 2:12 PM alexis richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Please can I put in a word for Nats, and its backers. I think many
others are in a similar situation or could be.
Some projects have a core that is driven by a single vendor (ISV). We
need to make sure that ISVs have a happy path all the way through CNCF
- and an 'end game'. They are a vital source of innovation, software
support, community creation. Their posture to OSS projects can be
different from Big IT, eg it can be less inhibited.
Historically foundations have been good at creating a way for big
vendors to work on one codebase, alongside a community of individual
contributors. Long may this continue.
More recently CNCF and to some extent CFF have worked hard to bring in
End Users, as we call large companies who are not in the business of
selling software or SaaS, but who can make it (much) better through
their use of that software and iteration therefrom. This is Fantastic
and for me a key step forward CNCF has taken eg with great projects
like Prometheus, Envoy and now Argo that come from end user tech
firms. Innovation can now come from end users *and be driven into the
mainstream*.
But there is a fourth "leg of the table" in this new level playing
field of Big IT, Big End Users, and individuals. That leg is ISVs
(and SIs) who may be backed customers and/or VCs. We need these ISVs
and their backers to be actively investing in the foundation, or they
will find a way to exist independent of the commons. Our loss is our
community's loss.
Let's make sure that we are super clear on *what and why* we want from
multiple maintainers at graduation. For me the outstanding
consideration is that a project should survive wipe out of the team.
An ISV could get "more maintainers" from end user firms, and graduate
its project. Is it then risk-free? NO. So what are we trying to
achieve?
I'm just throwing this out here to start the debate. I have failed to
find a clear set of answers on my own or in conversation with others
who care about this.
alexis
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:11 PM Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks. Added as slides 127-128 of https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JnK8XKxFV2xQJT_fumzUedLhscP-w0CZ-Qs8URjbCG4/.
> --
> Dan Kohn <dan@...> +1-415-233-1000
> Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation cncf.io
> dankohn.com or book on my calendar: dankohn.com/c
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:51 PM Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Looking forward to meeting with you all tomorrow. We have two slides (minimalist design!) highlighting the TOC priorities we'd like to discuss in the joint GB-TOC session: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xhuwdKfkh1ROGk_JE6n0mf9xHOWKNFeKeRFGFirHHoY
>>
>> Hope everyone is staying well,
>> Liz
>>
>> --
>> Liz Rice
>> @lizrice | lizrice.com | +44 (0) 780 126 1145
>
>
--
Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate
85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105
|
|
Re: [cncf-gb] GB-TOC joint meeting
Thanks, Alexis.
-g
Ginger Collison | NATS Community & Ecosystem
Maintained by the good people of Synadia Communications, Inc.
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 2:12 PM alexis richardson <alexis@...> wrote:
Please can I put in a word for Nats, and its backers. I think many
others are in a similar situation or could be.
Some projects have a core that is driven by a single vendor (ISV). We
need to make sure that ISVs have a happy path all the way through CNCF
- and an 'end game'. They are a vital source of innovation, software
support, community creation. Their posture to OSS projects can be
different from Big IT, eg it can be less inhibited.
Historically foundations have been good at creating a way for big
vendors to work on one codebase, alongside a community of individual
contributors. Long may this continue.
More recently CNCF and to some extent CFF have worked hard to bring in
End Users, as we call large companies who are not in the business of
selling software or SaaS, but who can make it (much) better through
their use of that software and iteration therefrom. This is Fantastic
and for me a key step forward CNCF has taken eg with great projects
like Prometheus, Envoy and now Argo that come from end user tech
firms. Innovation can now come from end users *and be driven into the
mainstream*.
But there is a fourth "leg of the table" in this new level playing
field of Big IT, Big End Users, and individuals. That leg is ISVs
(and SIs) who may be backed customers and/or VCs. We need these ISVs
and their backers to be actively investing in the foundation, or they
will find a way to exist independent of the commons. Our loss is our
community's loss.
Let's make sure that we are super clear on *what and why* we want from
multiple maintainers at graduation. For me the outstanding
consideration is that a project should survive wipe out of the team.
An ISV could get "more maintainers" from end user firms, and graduate
its project. Is it then risk-free? NO. So what are we trying to
achieve?
I'm just throwing this out here to start the debate. I have failed to
find a clear set of answers on my own or in conversation with others
who care about this.
alexis
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:11 PM Dan Kohn <dan@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks. Added as slides 127-128 of https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JnK8XKxFV2xQJT_fumzUedLhscP-w0CZ-Qs8URjbCG4/.
> --
> Dan Kohn <dan@...> +1-415-233-1000
> Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation cncf.io
> dankohn.com or book on my calendar: dankohn.com/c
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:51 PM Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Looking forward to meeting with you all tomorrow. We have two slides (minimalist design!) highlighting the TOC priorities we'd like to discuss in the joint GB-TOC session: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1xhuwdKfkh1ROGk_JE6n0mf9xHOWKNFeKeRFGFirHHoY
>>
>> Hope everyone is staying well,
>> Liz
>>
>> --
>> Liz Rice
>> @lizrice | lizrice.com | +44 (0) 780 126 1145
>
>
|
|
Re: [cncf-gb] GB-TOC joint meeting
Please can I put in a word for Nats, and its backers. I think many others are in a similar situation or could be.
Some projects have a core that is driven by a single vendor (ISV). We need to make sure that ISVs have a happy path all the way through CNCF - and an 'end game'. They are a vital source of innovation, software support, community creation. Their posture to OSS projects can be different from Big IT, eg it can be less inhibited.
Historically foundations have been good at creating a way for big vendors to work on one codebase, alongside a community of individual contributors. Long may this continue.
More recently CNCF and to some extent CFF have worked hard to bring in End Users, as we call large companies who are not in the business of selling software or SaaS, but who can make it (much) better through their use of that software and iteration therefrom. This is Fantastic and for me a key step forward CNCF has taken eg with great projects like Prometheus, Envoy and now Argo that come from end user tech firms. Innovation can now come from end users *and be driven into the mainstream*.
But there is a fourth "leg of the table" in this new level playing field of Big IT, Big End Users, and individuals. That leg is ISVs (and SIs) who may be backed customers and/or VCs. We need these ISVs and their backers to be actively investing in the foundation, or they will find a way to exist independent of the commons. Our loss is our community's loss.
Let's make sure that we are super clear on *what and why* we want from multiple maintainers at graduation. For me the outstanding consideration is that a project should survive wipe out of the team. An ISV could get "more maintainers" from end user firms, and graduate its project. Is it then risk-free? NO. So what are we trying to achieve?
I'm just throwing this out here to start the debate. I have failed to find a clear set of answers on my own or in conversation with others who care about this.
alexis
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Re: [cncf-gb] GB-TOC joint meeting
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:51 PM Liz Rice < liz@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Hope everyone is staying well,
Liz
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Hi everyone,
Hope everyone is staying well,
Liz
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Re: [Vote] Argo Project Proposal
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, 18:00 Liz Rice, < liz@...> wrote: +1 binding
+1 bindingOn Mar 19, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Amye Scavarda Perrin < ascavarda@...> wrote:
The Argo project is being proposed as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Michelle Noorali from the TOC: https://github.com/argoproj/argoPlease vote (+1/0/-1) by replying to this thread; the full project proposal located here: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/299Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!
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Re: [VOTE] Dragonfly Incubation Vote
Daniel Kleuser <daniel.kleuser@...>
+1 nb
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Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] Dragonfly Incubation Vote
+1 binding
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On Mar 13, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Amye Scavarda Perrin <ascavarda@...> wrote:
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Re: [VOTE] Dragonfly Incubation Vote
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On Mar 13, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Amye Scavarda Perrin < ascavarda@...> wrote:
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Re: [Vote] Argo Project Proposal
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+1 bindingOn Mar 19, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Amye Scavarda Perrin < ascavarda@...> wrote:
The Argo project is being proposed as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Michelle Noorali from the TOC: https://github.com/argoproj/argoPlease vote (+1/0/-1) by replying to this thread; the full project proposal located here: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/299Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!
-- Amye Scavarda Perrin | Program Manager | amye@...
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Helm Graduation public comment period
Helm has requested to graduate.
The public comment period is now open, and will remain open for two weeks from today. Please reply in this thread.
Justin Cormack
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Re: [Vote] Argo Project Proposal
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On Mar 19, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Amye Scavarda Perrin < ascavarda@...> wrote:
The Argo project is being proposed as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Michelle Noorali from the TOC: https://github.com/argoproj/argoPlease vote (+1/0/-1) by replying to this thread; the full project proposal located here: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/299Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!
-- Amye Scavarda Perrin | Program Manager | amye@...
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Re: [Vote] Argo Project Proposal
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Re: sig contributor strategy charter ready for vote

Chris Short
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+1 binding
Looks great!
Katie
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020, 11:15 Erin Boyd, < eboyd@...> wrote: +1 non-binding
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:45 PM Suresh Krishnan < suresh@...> wrote:
+1 (non binding). This looks good.
Thanks
Suresh
Hi TOC:
We are ready for a vote. I know many of you gave +1s when we initially proposed this with the last iteration of TOC, but we are now ready for the final vote with the new crew.
Matt Klein as TOC Liaison (others?)
thank you!
contributor strategy crowd
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Re: sig contributor strategy charter ready for vote

es Zou
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+1 binding
Looks great!
Katie
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020, 11:15 Erin Boyd, < eboyd@...> wrote: +1 non-binding
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:45 PM Suresh Krishnan < suresh@...> wrote:
+1 (non binding). This looks good.
Thanks
Suresh
Hi TOC:
We are ready for a vote. I know many of you gave +1s when we initially proposed this with the last iteration of TOC, but we are now ready for the final vote with the new crew.
Matt Klein as TOC Liaison (others?)
thank you!
contributor strategy crowd
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Re: sig contributor strategy charter ready for vote
Quinton Hoole <quinton@...>
Sounds good. I look forward to some concrete results.
Yes, would recommend a second TOC liaison for continuity.
+1 very non-binding :-)
Q
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Hi TOC:
We are ready for a vote. I know many of you gave +1s when we initially proposed this with the last iteration of TOC, but we are now ready for the final vote with the new crew.
Matt Klein as TOC Liaison (others?)
thank you! contributor strategy crowd
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