This does bring up a point where perhaps we (TOC + TOC contributors) need to create a means of communicating this more simplistically to any new user/developer/contributor so they can understand the

Thanks Saad I agree, and have worked long and hard on and with the TOC to have any explicit or implicit endorsement of Sandbox projects removed. Whatever remains is despite my best efforts. If you

Thanks for taking the time to respond Liz and Shannon! I agree that the timing is not quite right. We can't make SIG sponsorship a requirement for new projects before SIGs even exist -- we have to let

Based on this thread, I think I finally internalized that the CNCF Sandbox does not represent an endorsement by the CNCF of a project. It is a place to nurture new projects that may graduate to

+1 with Liz. It is actually quite difficult for a project to get sponsorship from two members of the TOC, and incredibly difficult to get sponsorship from 6. The TOC is elected for exactly the

Amazing news . Would love to be join being a telco vendor and operator. Thanks, Vineet

From the telecom software vendor side, I’m very interested in this group! From: <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of alexis richardson <alexis@...> Date: Friday, April 12, 2019 at 12:47 PM To: Cheryl Hung

Fantastic work!

Hi all, CNCF is planning to launch a Telecom User Group (TUG) for telcos and their vendors who are using or aiming to use cloud native technologies in their networks. This group is meant to operate in

Hi Saad, This is a good discussion to have. I don’t believe it would be right to require SIG sponsorship before a project joins the CNCF, at least at this time, for a couple of reasons: CNCF SIGs

I'd love to chat about this at the next CNCF Storage WG meeting, but I'm happy keeping the the conversation going over email until then as well. As much as I'd like to believe that the CNCF Sandbox

My 2 cents, while it is of course critical to understand scope and charter, is deciding who does what that important this early on ? A SIG (like storage) can demonstrate capability by formally

Same here, +1 for Saad. Remember, you can do everything right, and still fail. Being opinionated on which projects make it in matters. Thomas On Apr 11, 2019, at 5:52 PM, Steven Tan via Lists.Cncf.Io

Sorry, I wasn't involved in those discussions. Based on the published SIG charter, the purpose of these SIGs is to "Scale contributions by the CNCF technical and user community" with goals including

+1 May be a little late to this conversation, but do wanna show my support for Saad

Hi Saad Thanks for all your input and pertinent questions. Apologies for taking so long to respond. I think this would be better discussed verbally in person (happy to do that in a public place).

The purpose is documented in the SIG charter that we voted on recently.

Sure, SIGs can do what they want. And the final decision is still up to TOC. But would you support adding a formal requirement for all external project to first get a CNCF SIG to sponsor them? If not,

The SIGs can do whatever they like! But the final decision is not for delegation.

Thanks Alexis. Deciding which projects join the CNCF is one of the most important decisions the CNCF TOC is responsible for. And as far as I can tell, the only major requirement for joining the CNCF