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Agree. The underlying issues are set out here https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Hiz1dGYRS7GcjedpRVnSlDjIj0AVjeTa0-Td7aW-Lk/edit?usp=drivesdk

By alexis richardson · #5239 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

I think we can all agree that there is no one way to do open source, and that every project has different needs. I do echo Kris' comment about CNCF having an opinion on how projects govern. It seems

By April Kyle Nassi · #5238 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

> We have to recognize that if we make an SC an alternative for other governance requirements, that will result in an SC being imposed on a few projects where the contributors otherwise don't want

By Paris Pittman · #5237 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

Nobody is suggesting imposing anything. That suggestion is a red herring.

By alexis richardson · #5236 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

(+ SIG ContribStrat) I could see the overarching theme as "distilling what it could mean to be a 'good maintainer'". SIG Contributor Strategy is exactly the kind of venue to have this discussion and

By Stephen Augustus · #5235 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

Agree that SC should (if suggested) remain a known good option, and Not Compulsory. Agree that some projects are "small" - but i would have said Helm is small! My belief is that SCs can help growth.

By alexis richardson · #5234 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

And for large projects like Helm, an SC has these benefits. Just like Kubernetes. But in smaller projects, where you're looking at a couple dozen regular contributors period, there's not a lot o

By Josh Berkus · #5233 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

I think you are creating a strawman argument. We are not substituting one form of governance for another. The issue is how SCs can add value eg direction, participation, and user confidence that

By alexis richardson · #5232 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

Then pick a better example of a steering committee. I don't know of a single example of a steering committee successfully evolving otherwise broken leadership within a project. Maybe you do? I've

By Josh Berkus · #5231 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

Josh, please disentangle your feelings about istio from the constructive discussion i can see you want to have.

By alexis richardson · #5230 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

Others have already gone over the issue of having positions and contributions accrue to companies and not individuals. Second, there's the fact that the 3 biggest corporate contributors get 100% of

By Josh Berkus · #5229 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

I see - well good on them for getting a steering committee in that case! -- Kris Nova Chief Open Source Advocate 85 2nd Street San Francisco, CA 94105 nova@...

By Kris Nova <kris.nova@...> · #5228 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

It isn't but it has aspects we can learn from (good and bad) as do other projects (eg apache kafka to name one). This thread is specifically about steering committees, and what they can help with

By alexis richardson · #5227 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

Excuse my ignorance here - but I thought Istio wasn't a CNCF project? Is there an official statement anywhere on where Istio landed? I am confused why I am seeing Istio threads like this if it's not a

By Kris Nova <kris.nova@...> · #5226 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

Josh, feel free to highlight the negative aspects of Istio's history and governance on another thread. I may well join you. But please let's also give them credit for moving forward with

By alexis richardson · #5225 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

The Istio SC is a serious political problem, and the project has ongoing governance issues. Why would we want to emulate this with CNCF projects? An SC can be useful to a project that is large

By Josh Berkus · #5224 ·

Re: [VOTE] Rook Graduation

+1 binding -alena.

By Alena Prokharchyk · #5223 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

I am glad to see the discussion started. I've done a lot of governance work on various projects and am happy to help in any way I can.

By Jaice Singer DuMars · #5222 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

Good points Matt. Helm is well run and provides a useful model of one successful pattern. I don't think there is one true governance rule for who is on the SC. IMHO it is critical to include non

By alexis richardson · #5221 ·

Re: Istio Steering Committee

The Helm project has a similar model in its governance. There is a separation between Org Maintainers and Project Maintainers. The Org Maintainers are responsible for the project but not the technical

By Matt Farina · #5220 ·

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