Alexis, Maybe you can help me with this. The CNCF has a Cloud Native definition. A lot of things fit this bill in one way, shape, or form. Far more than are in the landscape. What is missing that the

Josh, please see my reply to Matt which expresses why it is so diminished. <josh.michielsen@...> wrote:

I'm well aware you did. Certainly that makes your opinion a valuable one! But again I have to stress being it's founder doesn't mean you can speak for everyone else that finds it valuable. The

Matt OK, but: We are doing a disservice to new users by publishing a "cloud native" landscape, that contains non-cloud-native projects. If we don't have an opinion about what is cloud native and

Josh I created the landscape, so I feel I have a dog in this race. a <josh.michielsen@...> wrote:

This comes across as "I don't find it valuable therefore it has no value", which isn't exactly a nuanced opinion. You certainly don't represent my feelings on the topic. Much like how you found

I have to respectfully disagree that it’s meaningless. Consider the case where someone is new to the space or a category in it. Where does one start to find the options in the space? Search engines

When we first made the landscape, it (1) had a particular structure and (2) attempted to show what projects are cloud native and where they live in that structure. Now, it has everything in it. So

Hi Alexis, Just wondering, if the CNCF landscape means nothing, why have it in the first place? Can you please explain further? Thank you, Shilla

Costa "Alexis Richardson you posted that "the site doesn't say 'applied for CNCF and was rejected'". Please explain the "rejected" part. When netdata was rejected? How?" After you presented to the

Hi all, I am the founder of Netdata. We have merged Dan's PR. Thank you Dan! David McKay you mention that the above are "unethical wording used intentionally to cause inferences towards being

Dan, thanks for handling this in a polite way. I’ve witnessed and heard about worse moves than this to promote projects and products. The cloud native space is pretty crowded and people are looking

It looks like the criteria to get added to the 'CNCF Landscape' page is outlined here. It looks like the entry for netdata was originally added in this commit. Did they ask to be added? I wonder if

Well, stars are a vanity or input metric. How about downloads, traffic, engagements. GitHub has some stats available … Cheers, Michael -- Developer Advocate @ AWS +353 86 0215164 Amazon

Yes, it requires 300 stars to get added, among other criteria. https://github.com/cncf/landscape#new-entries I'd welcome ideas for additional requirements. Relatedly, netdata merged my PR:

I wasn't clear - I was thinking about the criteria the CNCF has for adding projects to the landscape (where one of the criteria is some number of github stars, if I recall correctly). On 7 Jun 2019,

Liz, Isn't there a challenge that folks who may want to "game" will not use the new system as it does not show the "inflated" numbers that they currently use? Thanks, Dims-- Davanum Srinivas ::

Maybe we (or GitHub) could build some kind of “realstars” count which only counts stars from folks who have also done some number of other activities (raising PRs or issues, making comments, maybe

Perfect Dan, thanks. Best Regards, Shannon Williams Rancher Labs shannon@... +1 650-521-6902

Liz, A bit orthogonal to the thread... but since you asked ;) I find forks to be a far superior metric of a project's success at building a community, interest in the project, and maintaining a