The TOC has decided to invite SPIFFE (https://github.com/spiffe) as an INCEPTION level CNCF project, sponsored by Brian Grant from the TOC. SPIFFE (Secure Production Identity Framework For Everyone)

I'm glad so many people found my definitions helpful! I disagree that applications have "always been designed for resiliency, operability, and observability". I have worked on numerous systems that

I really like how Justin framed this but I don’t want to lose the “agility” piece he mentions. Applications have always been designed for resiliency, operability, and observability and have

I really like the "declarative, dynamic, resilient, scalable". I think it fits the need for the elevator pitch. -Bob

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I’m also more aligned with Justin’s definition, the way I usually describe Cloud-Native architecture in my posts is that it provides: Durability — services must sustain component

Wow, I really like Justin's (and Kris's) definitions. As I read Brian's proposed attributes, it occurred to me how much software we have that is indisputably cloud native and yet doesn't exhibit the

This is just my opinion. Feedback is encouraged. I did a lot of thinking about definitions when writing Cloud Native Infrastructure with Kris Nova last year. In the book I define cloud native

Good point. I'll think about that (and am open to suggestions). "Automation" is a bit too terse, and not differentiated from the numerous automation systems of the past.

Although the new definition is deeper and more inclusive, I think it is much less approachable especially to an less technical audience. The "container packaged, dynamically managed, micro service

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Hi Brian, Thank you. This is very timely with some of the efforts that are underway with the CNCF website. We intend to have a high level messaging on several use cases and applications. Regards, Dee

Yes I do. Paul

Or "automatable": http://blog.kubernetes.io/2016/09/cloud-native-application-interfaces.html Good suggestion. I agree they aren't all necessary in every situation. They are intended to serve as

Paul Do you agree that mesh is helpful, but otherwise neither necessary nor sufficient? A

I think the overall definition is much better. I really like how service meshes enable DRY and declarative intent, but there are lots of other important technologies (such as network attached

Nice one Brian Once you said "cloud native is automation" Re the second section, I suggest "promote... but are not necessary for". In particular i am not convinced immutability is quite "right", and