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Re: [VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

Doug Davis <dug@...>
 

+1 non-binding


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Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc ---03/23/2017 05:58:43 AM---The TOC has decided to invite containerd (http://containerd.io/) as an incubation level CNCF project

From: Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...>
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Date: 03/23/2017 05:58 AM
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The TOC has decided to invite containerd (http://containerd.io/) as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Brian Grant from the TOC:

containerd is a widely used container runtime with an emphasis on simplicity, robustness and portability. It is available as a daemon for Linux and Windows, which can manage the complete container lifecycle of its host system: image transfer and storage, container execution and supervision, and low-level storage, etc..

Please vote (+1/0/-1) on the full project proposal located here on GitHub: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32/files

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Re: [VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

Ihor Dvoretskyi
 

+1 (non-binding).


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:58 PM Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
The TOC has decided to invite containerd (http://containerd.io/) as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Brian Grant from the TOC:

containerd is a widely used container runtime with an emphasis on simplicity, robustness and portability. It is available as a daemon for Linux and Windows, which can manage the complete container lifecycle of its host system: image transfer and storage, container execution and supervision, and low-level storage, etc..

Please vote (+1/0/-1) on the full project proposal located here on GitHub: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32/files

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

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Re: [VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

Mark Peek
 

+1 non-binding

 

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Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

 

The TOC has decided to invite containerd (http://containerd.io/) as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Brian Grant from the TOC:

 

containerd is a widely used container runtime with an emphasis on simplicity, robustness and portability. It is available as a daemon for Linux and Windows, which can manage the complete container lifecycle of its host system: image transfer and storage, container execution and supervision, and low-level storage, etc..

 

Please vote (+1/0/-1) on the full project proposal located here on GitHub: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32/files

 

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

 

Thanks!

 

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Re: [VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

Yash Thakkar
 

+1 non-binding


On Thu 23 Mar, 2017, 7:28 PM Jonathan Boulle via cncf-toc, <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
+1 binding

On 23 March 2017 at 14:10, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

+1


On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 12:58 Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc, <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
The TOC has decided to invite containerd (http://containerd.io/) as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Brian Grant from the TOC:

containerd is a widely used container runtime with an emphasis on simplicity, robustness and portability. It is available as a daemon for Linux and Windows, which can manage the complete container lifecycle of its host system: image transfer and storage, container execution and supervision, and low-level storage, etc..

Please vote (+1/0/-1) on the full project proposal located here on GitHub: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32/files

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

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Re: [VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

Jonathan Boulle <jonathan.boulle@...>
 

+1 binding

On 23 March 2017 at 14:10, Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

+1


On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 12:58 Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc, <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
The TOC has decided to invite containerd (http://containerd.io/) as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Brian Grant from the TOC:

containerd is a widely used container runtime with an emphasis on simplicity, robustness and portability. It is available as a daemon for Linux and Windows, which can manage the complete container lifecycle of its host system: image transfer and storage, container execution and supervision, and low-level storage, etc..

Please vote (+1/0/-1) on the full project proposal located here on GitHub: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32/files

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Re: [VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

Gianluca Arbezzano <gianarb92@...>
 

I can not wait to have them into the group!

+1 non-binding

2017-03-23 13:55 GMT+00:00 Ghe Rivero via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...>:

+1 non-binding

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
The TOC has decided to invite containerd (http://containerd.io/) as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Brian Grant from the TOC:

containerd is a widely used container runtime with an emphasis on simplicity, robustness and portability. It is available as a daemon for Linux and Windows, which can manage the complete container lifecycle of its host system: image transfer and storage, container execution and supervision, and low-level storage, etc..

Please vote (+1/0/-1) on the full project proposal located here on GitHub: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32/files

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

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Re: [VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

Ghe Rivero <ghe.rivero@...>
 

+1 non-binding

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
The TOC has decided to invite containerd (http://containerd.io/) as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Brian Grant from the TOC:

containerd is a widely used container runtime with an emphasis on simplicity, robustness and portability. It is available as a daemon for Linux and Windows, which can manage the complete container lifecycle of its host system: image transfer and storage, container execution and supervision, and low-level storage, etc..

Please vote (+1/0/-1) on the full project proposal located here on GitHub: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32/files

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

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Re: [VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

Kitson, Clinton <Clinton.Kitson@...>
 

Non-binding +1
From: Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc [cncf-toc@...]
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Subject: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

The TOC has decided to invite containerd (http://containerd.io/) as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Brian Grant from the TOC:

containerd is a widely used container runtime with an emphasis on simplicity, robustness and portability. It is available as a daemon for Linux and Windows, which can manage the complete container lifecycle of its host system: image transfer and storage, container execution and supervision, and low-level storage, etc..

Please vote (+1/0/-1) on the full project proposal located here on GitHub: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32/files

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

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Re: [VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

Mark Coleman <mark@...>
 

+1 non-binding

On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

+1


On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 12:58 Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc, <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
The TOC has decided to invite containerd (http://containerd.io/) as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Brian Grant from the TOC:

containerd is a widely used container runtime with an emphasis on simplicity, robustness and portability. It is available as a daemon for Linux and Windows, which can manage the complete container lifecycle of its host system: image transfer and storage, container execution and supervision, and low-level storage, etc..

Please vote (+1/0/-1) on the full project proposal located here on GitHub: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32/files

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Re: [VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

alexis richardson
 

+1


On Thu, 23 Mar 2017, 12:58 Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc, <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
The TOC has decided to invite containerd (http://containerd.io/) as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Brian Grant from the TOC:

containerd is a widely used container runtime with an emphasis on simplicity, robustness and portability. It is available as a daemon for Linux and Windows, which can manage the complete container lifecycle of its host system: image transfer and storage, container execution and supervision, and low-level storage, etc..

Please vote (+1/0/-1) on the full project proposal located here on GitHub: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32/files

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

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[VOTE] containerd project proposal (incubation)

Chris Aniszczyk
 

The TOC has decided to invite containerd (http://containerd.io/) as an incubation level CNCF project, sponsored by Brian Grant from the TOC:

containerd is a widely used container runtime with an emphasis on simplicity, robustness and portability. It is available as a daemon for Linux and Windows, which can manage the complete container lifecycle of its host system: image transfer and storage, container execution and supervision, and low-level storage, etc..

Please vote (+1/0/-1) on the full project proposal located here on GitHub: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/32/files

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

Thanks!

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FYI: <100 passes to CloudNativeCon / KubeCon EU left

Chris Aniszczyk
 

We're almost sold out:

Please register today and I hope to see many of you in Berlin!

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Re: RFC: containerd and rkt project proposals for CNCF

Doug Davis <dug@...>
 

Non-binding, but +1 to both!


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Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc ---03/20/2017 02:47:57 PM---All, please do take a look! On Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 20:37 Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc, <

From: Alexis Richardson via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...>
To: Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...>, CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
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Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] RFC: containerd and rkt project proposals for CNCF
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All, please do take a look!


On Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 20:37 Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc, <cncf-toc@...> wrote:



Re: RFC: containerd and rkt project proposals for CNCF

alexis richardson
 

All, please do take a look!


On Mon, 20 Mar 2017, 20:37 Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc, <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Hey CNCF TOC and wider community, we have two project proposals in queue:


Please look them over on GitHub and raise any issues / concerns.

We plan to call for an official vote by the end of this week or so for both projects.

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RFC: containerd and rkt project proposals for CNCF

Chris Aniszczyk
 

Hey CNCF TOC and wider community, we have two project proposals in queue:


Please look them over on GitHub and raise any issues / concerns.

We plan to call for an official vote by the end of this week or so for both projects.

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Re: Followup: Today's CNCF TOC Call + Project Next Steps

Ihor Dvoretskyi
 

It's important for CNCF to own and foster the foundational technology for cloud-native computing. Having both containerd and rkt in CNCF would be a great outcome for the CNCF, for Kubernetes, and for the container and cloud ecosystems.

I second this. Having the container runtimes engines (containerd, rkt) together with the container cluster managing systems (Kubernetes) under a single foundation umbrella will bring the huge benefits for providing the solid end-user solutions.

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Brian Grant via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 9:05 AM, Chris Aniszczyk via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
We had a full TOC meeting today with three community presentations!!!:


The next steps would be for a TOC member to sponsor and invite the project for a formal proposal. If you're interested in doing this, please let us know by replying here.

I'd like to sponsor both containerd and rkt. It's important for CNCF to own and foster the foundational technology for cloud-native computing. Having both containerd and rkt in CNCF would be a great outcome for the CNCF, for Kubernetes, and for the container and cloud ecosystems. Kubernetes and other container orchestrators need reliable, community-driven container runtimes scoped to container execution. Each runtime has its own strengths and use cases, and I hope that induction into CNCF unlocks opportunities for broader collaboration. 

As for Heron, I'm not seeing the demand for Storm/Heron. For example, Google trends:

Spark still has a lot of steam, and AIUI the trend (e.g., using Apache Beam) is towards unified batch and streaming.

More broadly, though, I would like to see CNCF become a good home for container/orchestrator-friendly data-processing platforms, as that critical category of workloads benefits from closer integration with the underlying orchestration platform.

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Re: https://pivotal.io/kubo

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On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Anthony Skipper <anthony@...> wrote:
>>What I did find interesting however is that Pivotal and CloudFoundry are explicitly and publicly supporting Kubernetes, so hopefully that means that porting CloudFoundry apps and tools to Kubernetes will become easier and more mainstream over time

The only viable PaaS models going forward will be PaaS on top of CaaS.   With CaaS you can implement nearly any type of system, with PaaS that isn't neccessarily true.   The example of this is things like low latency trading systems, which you can't really implement on any existing PaaS solution, but can be made to work on a CaaS system.   So the writing is on the wall that anyone doing PaaS probably needs to replatform it ontop of CaaS.  

The funny question is what is the acronym for PaaS on CaaS?  (POC?)

CF runs on a CaaS called Diego, it's just not very well known or used with non-CF systems.  Kubernetes arguably supports more use cases already eg Openshift PaaS, and then others.

I do think that, over time, the industry will prefer a decreasing number of 'standard layers' for the cloud native stack.  It's not obvious how many can thrive at each layer, but I'd hope for more than one myself.  And all this will take time.  


 

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Quinton Hoole via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

Regarding Kubo, it’s not immediately obvious to me how useful it is in the long term (although I must stress that I’m definitely not a Cloud Foundry expert). 

Reading the Kubo docs it seems that it is, in essence, two pieces:

1.            A TCP routing system (load balancer) to get client traffic to Kubernetes-hosted services.

2.            A VM monitoring and management system (BOSH) to keep the VM’s (that Kubernetes is running on top of) deployed, healthy and scaled correctly.

In practice #1 is typically provided by a combination of the IaaS load balancers (e.g. AWS ELB, GCE LB, OpenStack LBaaS and associated plugins, etc), and Kubernetes integration with those.

#2 is usually provided by a combination of native IaaS VM auto-scaling (e.g. AWS Auto-scaling Groups, GCE Managed Instance Groups, OpenStack Autoscaling etc), and again, Kubernetes integration with those.

Hence my above question around Kubo’s long-term usefulness.

 

What I did find interesting however is that Pivotal and CloudFoundry are explicitly and publicly supporting Kubernetes, so hopefully that means that porting CloudFoundry apps and tools to Kubernetes will become easier and more mainstream over time (through, for example, Cloud Foundry to Kubernetes API adaptors).

Q

 

 

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Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] https://pivotal.io/kubo

 

Low friction, low switching cost....interesting topics. How we manage the large "brownfield" estate is a big challenge.

 

What I am interested in seeing is how PCF+Kube+Docker evolves and how RH OpenShift positions itself as enterprise products to manage containers.

 

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Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] https://pivotal.io/kubo

 

The lowest friction adoption path for CNCF technologies in the CF

community is via add-ons, accessed via the CF service broker

mechanism.  Kubo is a step in that direction because existing CF users

may wish to deploy Kubernetes using the same infra automation as they

use for CF, ie. BOSH.  This move is therefore a win win.  We'll see if

it gets much traction in the next few months - I hope it does.

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Afra, Ziad  via cncf-toc

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Hi All, seen this? what is everyone’s view?

 

 

 

Thanks

 

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Re: https://pivotal.io/kubo

Anthony Skipper <anthony@...>
 

>>What I did find interesting however is that Pivotal and CloudFoundry are explicitly and publicly supporting Kubernetes, so hopefully that means that porting CloudFoundry apps and tools to Kubernetes will become easier and more mainstream over time

The only viable PaaS models going forward will be PaaS on top of CaaS.   With CaaS you can implement nearly any type of system, with PaaS that isn't neccessarily true.   The example of this is things like low latency trading systems, which you can't really implement on any existing PaaS solution, but can be made to work on a CaaS system.   So the writing is on the wall that anyone doing PaaS probably needs to replatform it ontop of CaaS.  

The funny question is what is the acronym for PaaS on CaaS?  (POC?)

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Quinton Hoole via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

Regarding Kubo, it’s not immediately obvious to me how useful it is in the long term (although I must stress that I’m definitely not a Cloud Foundry expert). 

Reading the Kubo docs it seems that it is, in essence, two pieces:

1.            A TCP routing system (load balancer) to get client traffic to Kubernetes-hosted services.

2.            A VM monitoring and management system (BOSH) to keep the VM’s (that Kubernetes is running on top of) deployed, healthy and scaled correctly.

In practice #1 is typically provided by a combination of the IaaS load balancers (e.g. AWS ELB, GCE LB, OpenStack LBaaS and associated plugins, etc), and Kubernetes integration with those.

#2 is usually provided by a combination of native IaaS VM auto-scaling (e.g. AWS Auto-scaling Groups, GCE Managed Instance Groups, OpenStack Autoscaling etc), and again, Kubernetes integration with those.

Hence my above question around Kubo’s long-term usefulness.

 

What I did find interesting however is that Pivotal and CloudFoundry are explicitly and publicly supporting Kubernetes, so hopefully that means that porting CloudFoundry apps and tools to Kubernetes will become easier and more mainstream over time (through, for example, Cloud Foundry to Kubernetes API adaptors).

Q

 

 

Quinton Hoole

Technical Vice President

America Research Center

2330 Central Expressway, Santa Clara, CA 95050

Tel: 408-330-4721   Cell: 408-320-8917   Office # E2-9

Email: quinton.hoole@...   ID#Q00403160

 

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Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] https://pivotal.io/kubo

 

Low friction, low switching cost....interesting topics. How we manage the large "brownfield" estate is a big challenge.

 

What I am interested in seeing is how PCF+Kube+Docker evolves and how RH OpenShift positions itself as enterprise products to manage containers.

 

-----Original Message-----

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Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 11:15 AM

To: Afra, Ziad (MLES)

Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] https://pivotal.io/kubo

 

The lowest friction adoption path for CNCF technologies in the CF

community is via add-ons, accessed via the CF service broker

mechanism.  Kubo is a step in that direction because existing CF users

may wish to deploy Kubernetes using the same infra automation as they

use for CF, ie. BOSH.  This move is therefore a win win.  We'll see if

it gets much traction in the next few months - I hope it does.

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Afra, Ziad  via cncf-toc

<cncf-toc@...> wrote:

Hi All, seen this? what is everyone’s view?

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Ziad

 

 

 

 

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Re: https://pivotal.io/kubo

Solomon Hykes <solomon.hykes@...>
 

Ziad, since you mentioned Docmer here is my take on your question. The type of convergence we're seeing is Kube+containerd and cloudfoundry+containerd. With the donation of containerd to CNCF underway, Docker is positioned as a direct competitor to Openshift in the enterprise container management space.

For anyone interested in comparing infrastructure management tools for Kubernetes provisioning and upgrading, I recommend checking out Infrakit. I'm hearing lots of Kubernetes operators mention it as something they're playing with.


Here is an example how we use it to scale Docker in swarm mode: https://blog.docker.com/2017/03/infrakit-docker-swarm-mode-fault-tolerant-self-healing-cluster/

If anyone is interested in discussing the same use case for Infrakit+Kubernetes, let me know we would be happy to do more in that area.


On Friday, March 17, 2017, Afra, Ziad via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:
Low friction, low switching cost....interesting topics. How we manage the large "brownfield" estate is a big challenge.

What I am interested in seeing is how PCF+Kube+Docker evolves and how RH OpenShift positions itself as enterprise products to manage containers.

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The lowest friction adoption path for CNCF technologies in the CF
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mechanism.  Kubo is a step in that direction because existing CF users
may wish to deploy Kubernetes using the same infra automation as they
use for CF, ie. BOSH.  This move is therefore a win win.  We'll see if
it gets much traction in the next few months - I hope it does.




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Re: https://pivotal.io/kubo

Quinton Hoole
 

Regarding Kubo, it’s not immediately obvious to me how useful it is in the long term (although I must stress that I’m definitely not a Cloud Foundry expert). 

Reading the Kubo docs it seems that it is, in essence, two pieces:

1.            A TCP routing system (load balancer) to get client traffic to Kubernetes-hosted services.

2.            A VM monitoring and management system (BOSH) to keep the VM’s (that Kubernetes is running on top of) deployed, healthy and scaled correctly.

In practice #1 is typically provided by a combination of the IaaS load balancers (e.g. AWS ELB, GCE LB, OpenStack LBaaS and associated plugins, etc), and Kubernetes integration with those.

#2 is usually provided by a combination of native IaaS VM auto-scaling (e.g. AWS Auto-scaling Groups, GCE Managed Instance Groups, OpenStack Autoscaling etc), and again, Kubernetes integration with those.

Hence my above question around Kubo’s long-term usefulness.

 

What I did find interesting however is that Pivotal and CloudFoundry are explicitly and publicly supporting Kubernetes, so hopefully that means that porting CloudFoundry apps and tools to Kubernetes will become easier and more mainstream over time (through, for example, Cloud Foundry to Kubernetes API adaptors).

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Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] https://pivotal.io/kubo

 

Low friction, low switching cost....interesting topics. How we manage the large "brownfield" estate is a big challenge.

 

What I am interested in seeing is how PCF+Kube+Docker evolves and how RH OpenShift positions itself as enterprise products to manage containers.

 

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Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 11:15 AM

To: Afra, Ziad (MLES)

Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] https://pivotal.io/kubo

 

The lowest friction adoption path for CNCF technologies in the CF

community is via add-ons, accessed via the CF service broker

mechanism.  Kubo is a step in that direction because existing CF users

may wish to deploy Kubernetes using the same infra automation as they

use for CF, ie. BOSH.  This move is therefore a win win.  We'll see if

it gets much traction in the next few months - I hope it does.

 

 

 

 

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Hi All, seen this? what is everyone’s view?

 

 

 

Thanks

 

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