Re: Sandbox process needs to evolve to support cross industry collaboation
Chris, I would prefer first to beef up our existing bodies and not spread thin folks already doing too much. My personal preference. However I am not taking it off the table. It would be great if folks on this thread (who are not yet active in a TAG) pick one or more TAGs and actively participate in the activities, that would be wonderful for sure. -- Dims
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 12:22 PM Short, Chris <cbshort@...> wrote:
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Re: Sandbox process needs to evolve to support cross industry collaboation
Just a thought, could the Sandbox process be amended to be run by a designed to be nimble, yet to be created committee/council/board?
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On Apr 30, 2022, at 12:18, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:
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Re: Sandbox process needs to evolve to support cross industry collaboation
Alois. Big thanks for bringing this up! Some observations from me: - there are 21 applications currently in the queue, a bunch of them are resubmissions where the TOC has a set of questions and they came back with answers. - The process needs to be consistent (irrespective of when a project was submitted or who is evaluating it) to prevent angst/worry on the part of the submitters. - TOC's are not particularly healthy as they are understaffed, we do push some of the submissions to talk to either TAGs or k8s SIGs for example and come back with written responses and endorsements for example. - Getting time on calendars for everyone on the TOC is challenge, so we have/will run into quorum issues trying to schedule additional calls to get through the backlog - "People might lose interest, change roles or jobs, etc." << I get it, but i'd rather not accept something that is ephemeral and doesn't really have folks who can drive things for the longer term, Sorry. - On a good day, TOC is able to handle about 10-12 submissions. Trying to do more will be just rubber stamping instead of actually looking through, reading and watching the stuff the submitters have requested. I do get the need for speed and I agree that we need to do better. So let's have this conversation and see how we can proceed next. Alois, I am happy to add this to the TOC agenda and walk through the issues and work through possible solutions, thanks, Dims
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 11:25 AM Reitbauer, Alois via lists.cncf.io <alois.reitbauer=dynatrace.com@...> wrote:
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Re: Sandbox process needs to evolve to support cross industry collaboation
+1 Agree
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Re: Sandbox process needs to evolve to support cross industry collaboation
Agreed. +1 On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 4:25 PM Reitbauer, Alois via lists.cncf.io <alois.reitbauer=dynatrace.com@...> wrote:
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Re: Sandbox process needs to evolve to support cross industry collaboation
alexis richardson
+1
On Sat, 30 Apr 2022, 16:25 Reitbauer, Alois via lists.cncf.io, <alois.reitbauer=dynatrace.com@...> wrote:
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Sandbox process needs to evolve to support cross industry collaboation
Reitbauer, Alois
TOC-Members,
This email is a follow up of a conversation I started with dims.
I am asking you to rethink the current Sandbox process – mostly regarding speed. The idea of having a way to collaborate across organisations under a neutral foundation is key ideal of the CNCF. However, this is proving to get harder; mostly regarding the speed of acceptance.
Let me share an example. We have put together an industry consortium to define a common, vendor-neutral standard for feature flagging (https://openfeature.dev ) and brought together a consortium spanning key industry players and end users (see interested parties: https://github.com/open-feature/community/blob/main/interested-parties.md ). We submitted for sandbox early this year and given the current backlog and progress on evaluating projects it is very likely that the project will get accepted until late this year.
Pulling these activities off, getting buy in form key stakeholder and driving momentum to move them forward is a major effort. A key part of proces is being able to operate under a neutral entry like the CNCF. If this process is taking a very long time, it has negative impact on these initiatives. People might lose interest, change roles or jobs, etc.
The sandbox process is an essential part of evolving the cloud native landscape, but it is broken and needs to evolve.
I am proposing to make this a continuous process; maybe involving TAGs (again), who can support handling to workload and defining a set of criteria allowing project to prepare for being accepted quickly. Just some ideas on criteria:
Immediate steps then should be to get the current backlog down and define a “service level” by when project should be able to expect a response.
I am willing to support on improving the process, if needed/wanted.
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Green Cloud Interest
+1 non Binding. Really pleased to see initiatives like this kicking off and looking at computing from a new angle. Will be watching this with interest.
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Re: [VOTE] WG Environmental Conservation/Sustainability
+1 (non-binding)
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Re: [VOTE] WG Environmental Conservation/Sustainability
Alena Prokharchyk
+1 non-binding
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Re: [VOTE] CubeFS for incubation
yuanyunyuleson
+1 non-binding
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Re: [VOTE] CubeFS for incubation
常亮(leonchang)
+1 non-binding
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Re: [VOTE] CubeFS for incubation
hexiaochun@...
+1 non-binding
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Onsite Maintainers Circle in Valencia! Help us spread the word!
Paris Pittman <paris_pittman@...>
All,
Please help us spread the word to all of your project lists and chat channels to promote the onsite Maintainers Circle session during Valencia KubeCon/CloudNativeCon! This is geared towards project Maintainers and those in named roles who make decisions for the project (committee members, OWNERs files, etc.). This will be our second in person session. This session is focusing on skills, tips/tricks, and the care you should put into yourself as a Reviewer. Mounds of pull requests are in your queue. How do you approach reviewing them? Reviewing can be challenging for a number of reasons: complex codebase, not the best tooling, the overwhelming number, and more. Experts Tim Hockin and Danielle Lancashire, two esteemed CNCF project maintainers, will be joining us. As always, this is an interactive session so come for the great talks but stay for the discussion in between. Paris
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Re: [VOTE] WG Environmental Conservation/Sustainability
Aparna Subramanian
+1 NB Aparna Subramanian Director of Production Engineering Shopify
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 3:51 PM Evers, Melissa <melissa.evers@...> wrote:
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Re: [VOTE] WG Environmental Conservation/Sustainability
Evers, Melissa <melissa.evers@...>
+1 NB
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2022 2:38 PM To: cncf-toc@... Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] [VOTE] WG Environmental Conservation/Sustainability
+1 NB
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 4:28 PM dzolo via lists.cncf.io <dzolo=spotify.com@...> wrote:
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Re: [k8s-steering] Re: [cncf-toc] Kubecon mask mandate post mortem (Re: Short statement from CNCF GB)
Agree Erin!
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 6:02 PM Erin Boyd <eboyd@...> wrote:
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Re: Kubecon mask mandate post mortem (Re: Short statement from CNCF GB)
Erin Boyd
I almost think we should lead with the inclosing at the start to better frame why we are providing this information. Thoughts?
On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 3:44 PM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:
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Kubecon mask mandate post mortem (Re: Short statement from CNCF GB)
Folks, Next tranche! https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/04/28/kubecon-cloudnativecon-europe-2022-mask-mandate-post-mortem/ -- Dims
On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 2:01 PM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:
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Re: [VOTE] WG Environmental Conservation/Sustainability
Maulik Shyani
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