Date   

Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...>
 

Thanks. As a Jewish (and raised before we were as widely viewed as “white”) white-skinned not entirely cis queer person, I wonder whether we need to compete for the allotted seats at the table, but also focus on more seats. 


I am specifically concerned on a recent workplace issue that focused on someone’s behavior but refused to engage with it through the window of the person’s neuroatypicality and make accommodations that could have prevented or mitigated the situation. This is not rare in the industry and community, and labeling people as “assholes” is not really an appropriate response. This is not specifically a representation issue, but it is a serious blind spit in communities. (And that sentence itself is probably problematic...)


Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 8:26 AM, Jaice Singer DuMars <jaice@...> wrote:

As a Jewish, white-skinned, gender non-conforming individual, I understand. I would give up my place at the table, however, for a person of color or other under-represented person. Yes, there's a spectrum, but reduction in this specific case is a reasonable compromise.

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 8:18 AM Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:
(Though I would say that stating the issue solely as “white” and “men” is reductive in the gender issue, ignores the heteronormativity, and ignores physical, developmental, and other disability.)

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:

+1 for this +1. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Jaice Singer DuMars via Lists.Cncf.Io <jaice=google.com@...> wrote:

+1 as well, and glad to see this conversation moving forward.

One point I want to make absolutely clear is that diversity does not mean "corporate diversity" or "diversity of thought" or any other form of diversity that means the room is all white men and still considered "diverse". 

Also, huge +1 to expanding recruiting efforts to under-represented people. We should be bringing in new contributors to SIGs, and using these as great opportunities for people to learn about problem domains without the triggering aspects of first-time technical contributions. 

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:12 AM Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:
+1 and a comment:

It has seemed to me so far that the term “diversity” at CNCF is widely assumed to mean “more, and more equitable representation of, women.” I attended a diversity session at Seattle, for instance, and while it was not described with any qualifiers, it was almost exclusively about making the workplace and work policies more amenable to women with children, and the panel was all white and Asian women. 

There are many other aspects - non-white/Asian people, LGBTQ+ people, people with disabilities - whose lack of centering affect both our workplaces and our work in significant and destructive ways. While the situation of women is hugely important in the industry and the community, it is not the only aspect of diversity to be concerned about. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:

Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz



--

Jaice Singer DuMars

Cloud Native Strategy

+1 (206) 371-2293

601 N. 34th St., Seattle WA 98103



--

Jaice Singer DuMars

Cloud Native Strategy

+1 (206) 371-2293

601 N. 34th St., Seattle WA 98103


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

alexis richardson
 

IMO: a diversity goal here is true internationalization






On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 4:26 PM Jaice Singer DuMars via Lists.Cncf.Io <jaice=google.com@...> wrote:
As a Jewish, white-skinned, gender non-conforming individual, I understand. I would give up my place at the table, however, for a person of color or other under-represented person. Yes, there's a spectrum, but reduction in this specific case is a reasonable compromise.

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 8:18 AM Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:
(Though I would say that stating the issue solely as “white” and “men” is reductive in the gender issue, ignores the heteronormativity, and ignores physical, developmental, and other disability.)

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:

+1 for this +1. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Jaice Singer DuMars via Lists.Cncf.Io <jaice=google.com@...> wrote:

+1 as well, and glad to see this conversation moving forward.

One point I want to make absolutely clear is that diversity does not mean "corporate diversity" or "diversity of thought" or any other form of diversity that means the room is all white men and still considered "diverse". 

Also, huge +1 to expanding recruiting efforts to under-represented people. We should be bringing in new contributors to SIGs, and using these as great opportunities for people to learn about problem domains without the triggering aspects of first-time technical contributions. 

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:12 AM Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:
+1 and a comment:

It has seemed to me so far that the term “diversity” at CNCF is widely assumed to mean “more, and more equitable representation of, women.” I attended a diversity session at Seattle, for instance, and while it was not described with any qualifiers, it was almost exclusively about making the workplace and work policies more amenable to women with children, and the panel was all white and Asian women. 

There are many other aspects - non-white/Asian people, LGBTQ+ people, people with disabilities - whose lack of centering affect both our workplaces and our work in significant and destructive ways. While the situation of women is hugely important in the industry and the community, it is not the only aspect of diversity to be concerned about. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:

Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz



--

Jaice Singer DuMars

Cloud Native Strategy

+1 (206) 371-2293

601 N. 34th St., Seattle WA 98103



--

Jaice Singer DuMars

Cloud Native Strategy

+1 (206) 371-2293

601 N. 34th St., Seattle WA 98103


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Jaice Singer DuMars <jaice@...>
 

As a Jewish, white-skinned, gender non-conforming individual, I understand. I would give up my place at the table, however, for a person of color or other under-represented person. Yes, there's a spectrum, but reduction in this specific case is a reasonable compromise.


On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 8:18 AM Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:
(Though I would say that stating the issue solely as “white” and “men” is reductive in the gender issue, ignores the heteronormativity, and ignores physical, developmental, and other disability.)

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:

+1 for this +1. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Jaice Singer DuMars via Lists.Cncf.Io <jaice=google.com@...> wrote:

+1 as well, and glad to see this conversation moving forward.

One point I want to make absolutely clear is that diversity does not mean "corporate diversity" or "diversity of thought" or any other form of diversity that means the room is all white men and still considered "diverse". 

Also, huge +1 to expanding recruiting efforts to under-represented people. We should be bringing in new contributors to SIGs, and using these as great opportunities for people to learn about problem domains without the triggering aspects of first-time technical contributions. 

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:12 AM Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:
+1 and a comment:

It has seemed to me so far that the term “diversity” at CNCF is widely assumed to mean “more, and more equitable representation of, women.” I attended a diversity session at Seattle, for instance, and while it was not described with any qualifiers, it was almost exclusively about making the workplace and work policies more amenable to women with children, and the panel was all white and Asian women. 

There are many other aspects - non-white/Asian people, LGBTQ+ people, people with disabilities - whose lack of centering affect both our workplaces and our work in significant and destructive ways. While the situation of women is hugely important in the industry and the community, it is not the only aspect of diversity to be concerned about. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:

Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz



--

Jaice Singer DuMars

Cloud Native Strategy

+1 (206) 371-2293

601 N. 34th St., Seattle WA 98103



--

Jaice Singer DuMars

Cloud Native Strategy

+1 (206) 371-2293

601 N. 34th St., Seattle WA 98103


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...>
 

(Though I would say that stating the issue solely as “white” and “men” is reductive in the gender issue, ignores the heteronormativity, and ignores physical, developmental, and other disability.)

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:

+1 for this +1. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Jaice Singer DuMars via Lists.Cncf.Io <jaice=google.com@...> wrote:

+1 as well, and glad to see this conversation moving forward.

One point I want to make absolutely clear is that diversity does not mean "corporate diversity" or "diversity of thought" or any other form of diversity that means the room is all white men and still considered "diverse". 

Also, huge +1 to expanding recruiting efforts to under-represented people. We should be bringing in new contributors to SIGs, and using these as great opportunities for people to learn about problem domains without the triggering aspects of first-time technical contributions. 

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:12 AM Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:
+1 and a comment:

It has seemed to me so far that the term “diversity” at CNCF is widely assumed to mean “more, and more equitable representation of, women.” I attended a diversity session at Seattle, for instance, and while it was not described with any qualifiers, it was almost exclusively about making the workplace and work policies more amenable to women with children, and the panel was all white and Asian women. 

There are many other aspects - non-white/Asian people, LGBTQ+ people, people with disabilities - whose lack of centering affect both our workplaces and our work in significant and destructive ways. While the situation of women is hugely important in the industry and the community, it is not the only aspect of diversity to be concerned about. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:

Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz



--

Jaice Singer DuMars

Cloud Native Strategy

+1 (206) 371-2293

601 N. 34th St., Seattle WA 98103


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...>
 

+1 for this +1. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 8:04 AM, Jaice Singer DuMars via Lists.Cncf.Io <jaice=google.com@...> wrote:

+1 as well, and glad to see this conversation moving forward.

One point I want to make absolutely clear is that diversity does not mean "corporate diversity" or "diversity of thought" or any other form of diversity that means the room is all white men and still considered "diverse". 

Also, huge +1 to expanding recruiting efforts to under-represented people. We should be bringing in new contributors to SIGs, and using these as great opportunities for people to learn about problem domains without the triggering aspects of first-time technical contributions. 

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:12 AM Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:
+1 and a comment:

It has seemed to me so far that the term “diversity” at CNCF is widely assumed to mean “more, and more equitable representation of, women.” I attended a diversity session at Seattle, for instance, and while it was not described with any qualifiers, it was almost exclusively about making the workplace and work policies more amenable to women with children, and the panel was all white and Asian women. 

There are many other aspects - non-white/Asian people, LGBTQ+ people, people with disabilities - whose lack of centering affect both our workplaces and our work in significant and destructive ways. While the situation of women is hugely important in the industry and the community, it is not the only aspect of diversity to be concerned about. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:

Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz



--

Jaice Singer DuMars

Cloud Native Strategy

+1 (206) 371-2293

601 N. 34th St., Seattle WA 98103


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Jaice Singer DuMars <jaice@...>
 

+1 as well, and glad to see this conversation moving forward.

One point I want to make absolutely clear is that diversity does not mean "corporate diversity" or "diversity of thought" or any other form of diversity that means the room is all white men and still considered "diverse". 

Also, huge +1 to expanding recruiting efforts to under-represented people. We should be bringing in new contributors to SIGs, and using these as great opportunities for people to learn about problem domains without the triggering aspects of first-time technical contributions. 

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:12 AM Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:
+1 and a comment:

It has seemed to me so far that the term “diversity” at CNCF is widely assumed to mean “more, and more equitable representation of, women.” I attended a diversity session at Seattle, for instance, and while it was not described with any qualifiers, it was almost exclusively about making the workplace and work policies more amenable to women with children, and the panel was all white and Asian women. 

There are many other aspects - non-white/Asian people, LGBTQ+ people, people with disabilities - whose lack of centering affect both our workplaces and our work in significant and destructive ways. While the situation of women is hugely important in the industry and the community, it is not the only aspect of diversity to be concerned about. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:

Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz



--

Jaice Singer DuMars

Cloud Native Strategy

+1 (206) 371-2293

601 N. 34th St., Seattle WA 98103


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Amye Scavarda Perrin
 

Liz, 
Thank you so much for bringing this up, it's definitely something I'm thinking about as we build out sustainable SIGs. 
Confab (content strategy conference) just had a very good keynote on this: "Centering the margins in digital spaces" -- 

It's worth a watch/read particularly because there are some concrete questions she lays out that we can use as we're scaling our work. 
-- amye 


On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 7:12 AM Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...> wrote:
+1 and a comment:

It has seemed to me so far that the term “diversity” at CNCF is widely assumed to mean “more, and more equitable representation of, women.” I attended a diversity session at Seattle, for instance, and while it was not described with any qualifiers, it was almost exclusively about making the workplace and work policies more amenable to women with children, and the panel was all white and Asian women. 

There are many other aspects - non-white/Asian people, LGBTQ+ people, people with disabilities - whose lack of centering affect both our workplaces and our work in significant and destructive ways. While the situation of women is hugely important in the industry and the community, it is not the only aspect of diversity to be concerned about. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:

Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Roger Klorese <roger.klorese@...>
 

+1 and a comment:

It has seemed to me so far that the term “diversity” at CNCF is widely assumed to mean “more, and more equitable representation of, women.” I attended a diversity session at Seattle, for instance, and while it was not described with any qualifiers, it was almost exclusively about making the workplace and work policies more amenable to women with children, and the panel was all white and Asian women. 

There are many other aspects - non-white/Asian people, LGBTQ+ people, people with disabilities - whose lack of centering affect both our workplaces and our work in significant and destructive ways. While the situation of women is hugely important in the industry and the community, it is not the only aspect of diversity to be concerned about. 

Roger B.A. Klorese
Senior Product Manager
SUSE
705 5th Ave SSuite 1000
Seattle WA 98104

(P)+1 206.217.7432
(M)+1 425.444.5493
roger.klorese@...
Schedule a meeting: https://doodle.com/RogerKlorese
GPG Key: D567 F186 A6AE D244 067E  95E4 E67D 019F 0670 D9CC


On May 30, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:

Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Lee Calcote
 

Yes, clearly, supporting and encouraging diversity is well-placed suggestion. +1.

Steve, I thought of sending this same request earlier. I agree. Examples would elicit desired behavior as well as provide a guiding light to SIG participants. A related challenge  that I occasionally see various communities facing is the absence of individuals of diverse backgrounds ever initially engaging, making it hard to welcome them in their absence. Hopefully, efforts here help overcome the challenge of first-contact inertia.

- Lee

On May 30, 2019, at 8:28 AM, Stephen Watt <swatt@...> wrote:

Might I suggest that along with the requirements we include specific examples for the SIG leads for how they might go about increasing the diversity within their SIG? SIG leads might be supportive but not actually know how to go about it.

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 8:16 AM Erin Boyd <eboyd@...> wrote:
+1

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 1:06 PM Vineet Gupta <vineet.scm@...> wrote:
Indeed +1 

This is great !

Thanks,
Vineet

On Thu 30 May 2019 at 12:31, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:
Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community. 

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities. 

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz






-- 
Erin A. Boyd
Senior Principal Software Engineer, OCTO

Red Hat 





Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Chris Aniszczyk
 

I defer to the experts here but I highly recommend taking this free course we put together and require for all staff as a start:

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 8:28 AM Stephen Watt <swatt@...> wrote:
Might I suggest that along with the requirements we include specific examples for the SIG leads for how they might go about increasing the diversity within their SIG? SIG leads might be supportive but not actually know how to go about it.

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 8:16 AM Erin Boyd <eboyd@...> wrote:
+1

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 1:06 PM Vineet Gupta <vineet.scm@...> wrote:
Indeed +1 

This is great !

Thanks,
Vineet

On Thu 30 May 2019 at 12:31, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:
Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz



--

Erin A. Boyd

Senior Principal Software Engineer, OCTO

Red Hat

eboyd@...   



--
Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719


Re: [VOTE] CNCF Security SIG

Suresh Krishnan
 

+1 (non binding).

Thanks
Suresh

On May 29, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Chris Aniszczyk via Lists.Cncf.Io <caniszczyk=linuxfoundation.org@...> wrote:

A new CNCF Security SIG has been proposed with Liz Rice and Joe Beda as the TOC liaisons. The Co-Chairs: Sarah Allen, Dan Shaw, Jeyappragash JJ

Please vote (+1/0/-1) by replying to this thread; the full proposal located here: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/146

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

--
Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Stephen Watt
 

Might I suggest that along with the requirements we include specific examples for the SIG leads for how they might go about increasing the diversity within their SIG? SIG leads might be supportive but not actually know how to go about it.


On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 8:16 AM Erin Boyd <eboyd@...> wrote:
+1

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 1:06 PM Vineet Gupta <vineet.scm@...> wrote:
Indeed +1 

This is great !

Thanks,
Vineet

On Thu 30 May 2019 at 12:31, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:
Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz



--

Erin A. Boyd

Senior Principal Software Engineer, OCTO

Red Hat

eboyd@...   


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Erin Boyd
 

+1

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 1:06 PM Vineet Gupta <vineet.scm@...> wrote:
Indeed +1 

This is great !

Thanks,
Vineet

On Thu 30 May 2019 at 12:31, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:
Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz



--

Erin A. Boyd

Senior Principal Software Engineer, OCTO

Red Hat

eboyd@...   


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Mark Coleman <mark@...>
 

+1

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 12:29 PM Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz



--
Mark Coleman

T. +31 6 52 13 49 60




Hello.

We are the Implicit-Explicit company.
Connectors at large.
You and your users should meet.
Really.

You should.


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Vineet Gupta
 

Indeed +1 

This is great !

Thanks,
Vineet

On Thu 30 May 2019 at 12:31, Stephen Augustus <Stephen@...> wrote:
Huge +1!!

On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz


Re: Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Stephen Augustus
 

Huge +1!!


On Thu, May 30, 2019, 07:29 Liz Rice <liz@...> wrote:
Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz


Encouraging diversity through the SIGs

Liz Rice
 

Alexis just shared an idea with me that I think is so great that I wanted to act immediately! This comes out of discussions with several folks at KubeCon and elsewhere about how we can improve diversity at all levels of the community.

Now that we’ve formalised the existence of CNCF SIGs, they’re a great place to scale out the diversity effort. Let's add to the CNCF SIG requirements that they need to have initiatives in place to actively encourage diversity (of all sorts) within their activities.

The goal should be nurturing a more diverse range of people into positions like SIG Tech Leads and Chairs, and other SIG-specific roles (e.g. taking part in security assessments in SIG security). The SIG Chairs would need to assume the responsibility to make sure this is happening. 

Thoughts & ideas? 

Liz


Re: [VOTE] CNCF Security SIG

Vineet Gupta
 

+1 great step to benefit for all industries .

Thanks 

On Thu 30 May 2019 at 07:55, Andrew Martin <sublimino@...> wrote:
Enthusiastic +1 non-binding 🎉

On Wed, 29 May 2019, 14:17 Chris Aniszczyk, <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
A new CNCF Security SIG has been proposed with Liz Rice and Joe Beda as the TOC liaisons. The Co-Chairs: Sarah Allen, Dan Shaw, Jeyappragash JJ

Please vote (+1/0/-1) by replying to this thread; the full proposal located here: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/146

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

--
Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719


Re: [VOTE] CNCF Security SIG

Andrew Martin
 

Enthusiastic +1 non-binding 🎉


On Wed, 29 May 2019, 14:17 Chris Aniszczyk, <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
A new CNCF Security SIG has been proposed with Liz Rice and Joe Beda as the TOC liaisons. The Co-Chairs: Sarah Allen, Dan Shaw, Jeyappragash JJ

Please vote (+1/0/-1) by replying to this thread; the full proposal located here: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/146

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

--
Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719


Re: [VOTE] CNCF Security SIG

Tom Keiser
 

+1 non-binding.

On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 9:17 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
A new CNCF Security SIG has been proposed with Liz Rice and Joe Beda as the TOC liaisons. The Co-Chairs: Sarah Allen, Dan Shaw, Jeyappragash JJ

Please vote (+1/0/-1) by replying to this thread; the full proposal located here: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/146

Remember that the TOC has binding votes only, but we do appreciate non-binding votes from the community as a sign of support!

--
Chris Aniszczyk (@cra) | +1-512-961-6719



--
Tom Keiser

4381 - 4400 of 7729