Yes we will be handling incidents in the queue during the interim period.

I would greatly appreciate any information you can share with us!

Thank you, Paris!!!

Erin

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 12:26 PM Paris Pittman <paris.pittman@...> wrote:

thanks to folks stepping up.

will the interim committee work on incidents in the pipeline or start fresh from this date on? where do folks report incidents/get in contact with this new body? 

ottertech and consent academy have trainings that folks on the interim cocc can utilize for this work if you are new to a body like this. we’ve used ottertech with new k8s cocc folks in the past. 

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:03 AM Jessie Adams-Shore <jessie@...> wrote:

Thanks, Phil. The year has been updated :)

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 12:47 PM Phil Estes <estesp@...> wrote:

Thanks Dims and others who have worked on this. Very minor typo in blog #2; a date is listed as July 11, 2020; I assume that is 2022 :)

Thanks!

- Phil

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:59 AM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:

Folks,

Please see the 2 blog posts that went public just now, Many thanks to all the folks who helped shape both the Interim CoCC structure (for the short term) and the shape of the new WG for CoCC updates (for the longer term)

Blog post #1 : This one talks about who is in the Interim CoCC (including alternates/policies) - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/cncfs-interim-cncf-code-of-conduct-committee-has-launched/

Blog post #2 : We had earlier published a blog post on June 6th and we got a lot of feedback from our overall community, so we incorporated the feedback to be more open/inclusive, this WG will help draft what/how of the CoCC in the longer term - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/new-structure-for-cncf-code-of-conduct-update-project/

We welcome feedback on both from everyone for sure (possibly cncf-toc mailing list would be a good place to have our public back-and-forth as needed). But feel free to reach out publicly or privately to folks involved.

Thanks,

CNCF TOC Chair and CNCF GB Chair

PS: I am posting this as Arun is on a plane! Bon voyage Arun.

PPS: apologies for posting to a mix of public and private lists! 

--

Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

--

Jessie Adams Shore

PR | Cloud Native Computing Foundation

707-337-1958

--

Erin A. Boyd

Director of Emerging Technologies OCTO

Distinguished Engineer

Red Hat

eboyd@...   

is there a mailing list i can use to reach out to the group about details?

how will you all handle conflicts of interest if and when they arise? 

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:29 AM Erin Boyd <eboyd@...> wrote:

Yes we will be handling incidents in the queue during the interim period.

I would greatly appreciate any information you can share with us!

Thank you, Paris!!!

Erin

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 12:26 PM Paris Pittman <paris.pittman@...> wrote:

thanks to folks stepping up.

will the interim committee work on incidents in the pipeline or start fresh from this date on? where do folks report incidents/get in contact with this new body? 

ottertech and consent academy have trainings that folks on the interim cocc can utilize for this work if you are new to a body like this. we’ve used ottertech with new k8s cocc folks in the past. 

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:03 AM Jessie Adams-Shore <jessie@...> wrote:

Thanks, Phil. The year has been updated :)

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 12:47 PM Phil Estes <estesp@...> wrote:

Thanks Dims and others who have worked on this. Very minor typo in blog #2; a date is listed as July 11, 2020; I assume that is 2022 :)

Thanks!

- Phil

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:59 AM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:

Folks,

Please see the 2 blog posts that went public just now, Many thanks to all the folks who helped shape both the Interim CoCC structure (for the short term) and the shape of the new WG for CoCC updates (for the longer term)

Blog post #1 : This one talks about who is in the Interim CoCC (including alternates/policies) - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/cncfs-interim-cncf-code-of-conduct-committee-has-launched/

Blog post #2 : We had earlier published a blog post on June 6th and we got a lot of feedback from our overall community, so we incorporated the feedback to be more open/inclusive, this WG will help draft what/how of the CoCC in the longer term - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/new-structure-for-cncf-code-of-conduct-update-project/

We welcome feedback on both from everyone for sure (possibly cncf-toc mailing list would be a good place to have our public back-and-forth as needed). But feel free to reach out publicly or privately to folks involved.

Thanks,

CNCF TOC Chair and CNCF GB Chair

PS: I am posting this as Arun is on a plane! Bon voyage Arun.

PPS: apologies for posting to a mix of public and private lists! 

--

Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

--

Jessie Adams Shore

PR | Cloud Native Computing Foundation

707-337-1958

--

Erin A. Boyd

Director of Emerging Technologies OCTO

Distinguished Engineer

Red Hat

eboyd@...   

Yes we will be handling incidents in the queue during the interim period.

I would greatly appreciate any information you can share with us!

Thank you, Paris!!!

Erin

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 12:26 PM Paris Pittman <paris.pittman@...> wrote:

thanks to folks stepping up.

will the interim committee work on incidents in the pipeline or start fresh from this date on? where do folks report incidents/get in contact with this new body? 

ottertech and consent academy have trainings that folks on the interim cocc can utilize for this work if you are new to a body like this. we’ve used ottertech with new k8s cocc folks in the past. 

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:03 AM Jessie Adams-Shore <jessie@...> wrote:

Thanks, Phil. The year has been updated :)

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 12:47 PM Phil Estes <estesp@...> wrote:

Thanks Dims and others who have worked on this. Very minor typo in blog #2; a date is listed as July 11, 2020; I assume that is 2022 :)

Thanks!

- Phil

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:59 AM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:

Folks,

Please see the 2 blog posts that went public just now, Many thanks to all the folks who helped shape both the Interim CoCC structure (for the short term) and the shape of the new WG for CoCC updates (for the longer term)

Blog post #1 : This one talks about who is in the Interim CoCC (including alternates/policies) - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/cncfs-interim-cncf-code-of-conduct-committee-has-launched/

Blog post #2 : We had earlier published a blog post on June 6th and we got a lot of feedback from our overall community, so we incorporated the feedback to be more open/inclusive, this WG will help draft what/how of the CoCC in the longer term - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/new-structure-for-cncf-code-of-conduct-update-project/

We welcome feedback on both from everyone for sure (possibly cncf-toc mailing list would be a good place to have our public back-and-forth as needed). But feel free to reach out publicly or privately to folks involved.

Thanks,

CNCF TOC Chair and CNCF GB Chair

PS: I am posting this as Arun is on a plane! Bon voyage Arun.

PPS: apologies for posting to a mix of public and private lists! 

--

Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

--

Jessie Adams Shore

PR | Cloud Native Computing Foundation

707-337-1958

--

Erin A. Boyd

Director of Emerging Technologies OCTO

Distinguished Engineer

Red Hat

eboyd@...   

thanks to folks stepping up.

will the interim committee work on incidents in the pipeline or start fresh from this date on? where do folks report incidents/get in contact with this new body? 

ottertech and consent academy have trainings that folks on the interim cocc can utilize for this work if you are new to a body like this. we’ve used ottertech with new k8s cocc folks in the past. 

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:03 AM Jessie Adams-Shore <jessie@...> wrote:

Thanks, Phil. The year has been updated :)

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 12:47 PM Phil Estes <estesp@...> wrote:

Thanks Dims and others who have worked on this. Very minor typo in blog #2; a date is listed as July 11, 2020; I assume that is 2022 :)

Thanks!

- Phil

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:59 AM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:

Folks,

Please see the 2 blog posts that went public just now, Many thanks to all the folks who helped shape both the Interim CoCC structure (for the short term) and the shape of the new WG for CoCC updates (for the longer term)

Blog post #1 : This one talks about who is in the Interim CoCC (including alternates/policies) - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/cncfs-interim-cncf-code-of-conduct-committee-has-launched/

Blog post #2 : We had earlier published a blog post on June 6th and we got a lot of feedback from our overall community, so we incorporated the feedback to be more open/inclusive, this WG will help draft what/how of the CoCC in the longer term - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/new-structure-for-cncf-code-of-conduct-update-project/

We welcome feedback on both from everyone for sure (possibly cncf-toc mailing list would be a good place to have our public back-and-forth as needed). But feel free to reach out publicly or privately to folks involved.

Thanks,

CNCF TOC Chair and CNCF GB Chair

PS: I am posting this as Arun is on a plane! Bon voyage Arun.

PPS: apologies for posting to a mix of public and private lists! 

--

Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

--

Jessie Adams Shore

PR | Cloud Native Computing Foundation

707-337-1958

Thanks, Phil. The year has been updated :)

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 12:47 PM Phil Estes <estesp@...> wrote:

Thanks Dims and others who have worked on this. Very minor typo in blog #2; a date is listed as July 11, 2020; I assume that is 2022 :)

Thanks!

- Phil

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:59 AM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:

Folks,

Please see the 2 blog posts that went public just now, Many thanks to all the folks who helped shape both the Interim CoCC structure (for the short term) and the shape of the new WG for CoCC updates (for the longer term)

Blog post #1 : This one talks about who is in the Interim CoCC (including alternates/policies) - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/cncfs-interim-cncf-code-of-conduct-committee-has-launched/

Blog post #2 : We had earlier published a blog post on June 6th and we got a lot of feedback from our overall community, so we incorporated the feedback to be more open/inclusive, this WG will help draft what/how of the CoCC in the longer term - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/new-structure-for-cncf-code-of-conduct-update-project/

We welcome feedback on both from everyone for sure (possibly cncf-toc mailing list would be a good place to have our public back-and-forth as needed). But feel free to reach out publicly or privately to folks involved.

Thanks,

CNCF TOC Chair and CNCF GB Chair

PS: I am posting this as Arun is on a plane! Bon voyage Arun.

PPS: apologies for posting to a mix of public and private lists! 

--

Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

--

Jessie Adams Shore

PR | Cloud Native Computing Foundation

707-337-1958

Thanks Dims and others who have worked on this. Very minor typo in blog #2; a date is listed as July 11, 2020; I assume that is 2022 :)

Thanks!

- Phil

On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:59 AM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:

Folks,

Please see the 2 blog posts that went public just now, Many thanks to all the folks who helped shape both the Interim CoCC structure (for the short term) and the shape of the new WG for CoCC updates (for the longer term)

Blog post #1 : This one talks about who is in the Interim CoCC (including alternates/policies) - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/cncfs-interim-cncf-code-of-conduct-committee-has-launched/

Blog post #2 : We had earlier published a blog post on June 6th and we got a lot of feedback from our overall community, so we incorporated the feedback to be more open/inclusive, this WG will help draft what/how of the CoCC in the longer term - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/new-structure-for-cncf-code-of-conduct-update-project/

We welcome feedback on both from everyone for sure (possibly cncf-toc mailing list would be a good place to have our public back-and-forth as needed). But feel free to reach out publicly or privately to folks involved.

Thanks,

CNCF TOC Chair and CNCF GB Chair

PS: I am posting this as Arun is on a plane! Bon voyage Arun.

PPS: apologies for posting to a mix of public and private lists! 

--

Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

Folks,

Please see the 2 blog posts that went public just now, Many thanks to all the folks who helped shape both the Interim CoCC structure (for the short term) and the shape of the new WG for CoCC updates (for the longer term)

Blog post #1 : This one talks about who is in the Interim CoCC (including alternates/policies) - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/cncfs-interim-cncf-code-of-conduct-committee-has-launched/

Blog post #2 : We had earlier published a blog post on June 6th and we got a lot of feedback from our overall community, so we incorporated the feedback to be more open/inclusive, this WG will help draft what/how of the CoCC in the longer term - https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/23/new-structure-for-cncf-code-of-conduct-update-project/

We welcome feedback on both from everyone for sure (possibly cncf-toc mailing list would be a good place to have our public back-and-forth as needed). But feel free to reach out publicly or privately to folks involved.

Thanks,

CNCF TOC Chair and CNCF GB Chair

PS: I am posting this as Arun is on a plane! Bon voyage Arun.

PPS: apologies for posting to a mix of public and private lists! 

--

Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

Aeva,

I realized I did not address all the questions. So here they are.

- Interim CoCC discussion was between Arun, Myself, Joanna first then we added ChrisA, Amye and finally Emily/Katie/Erin. (essentially folks from TOC, GB and staff)
- We have 2 blog posts as of this morning, please see the other email thread with details on the composition/process of both the Interim CoCC and the CoCC updates WG.
- The interim CoCC when it meets will vote to adopt some docs/process(es) which will be public soon (before they meet!) and then decide on picking current/ongoing cases as a group.

The shorter the duration of the Interim CoCC the better!

thanks,

Dims

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 1:08 PM Davanum Srinivas via lists.cncf.io <davanum=gmail.com@...> wrote:

Aeva,

Hmm, did you get a chance to read this? (posted on June 6th, see step #1)

https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/06/upcoming-code-of-conduct-updates-at-cncf/

-- Dims

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 12:57 PM Aeva <aeva.online@...> wrote:

Thanks for the update, Dims! I know these things take the time that they take.

Couple questions, since this is the first I've heard of an "interim code of conduct committee":

- how is the composition of the interim CoCC being decided?

- what process will it follow (modeled after k8s.dev/coc-process or something else)?

- will the interim CoCC be picking up current/ongoing cases, or only handling new cases?is it crashing that fast? :(

Thanks in advance,

--Aeva

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 10:27 AM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:

Hi Aeva,

Apologies for the delay! Earliest on Tuesday (end of day), worst case - end of next week. 

Please expect 2 things:

- composition of an interim cocc

- composition of the cocc WG 

-- Dims

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 11:04 AM Aeva <aeva.online@...> wrote:

Hi Dims,

Checking in as it’s been about a week. When should we expect a follow up?

Best,

Aeva

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 6:48 PM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:

Folks,

FYI. Thanks for all the feedback so far on the WG structure! Please see the update from Arun.

-- Dims

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Gupta, Arun <arun.gupta@...>
Date: Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [cncf-gb] Formation of CNCF CoC Update Working Group
To: cncf-gb <cncf-gb@...>
Cc: Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...>

To members of the CNCF Governing Board:

 

We have received a lot of feedback on the proposed Working Group structure. We are taking that into consideration to ensure that there is diversity and inclusion of people and opinions. We appreciate your patience while this is being worked upon. Please stay tuned.

 

Arun

 

From: cncf-gb@... <cncf-gb@...> on behalf of Gupta, Arun <arun.gupta@...>
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 2:33 PM
To: cncf-gb <cncf-gb@...>
Cc: Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-gb] Formation of CNCF CoC Update Working Group

To members of the CNCF Governing Board:

 

There has been some confusion regarding eligibility to serve as a representative on the Code of Conduct Working Group, so we’re sharing additional details to clarify.  Please see the updated composition list below with clarifications highlighted:

• Any active Incubating + Graduated Maintainer who wishes to volunteer
• 1-2 representatives from the Governing Board - must be a primary member, not an alternate
• 1–2 representatives from the Technical Oversight Committee
• 1 representative from each TAG - must be a chair or technical lead of the TAG
• TAG-Security
• TAG-Storage
• TAG-App-Delivery
• TAG-Network
• TAG-Runtime
• TAG Contributor Strategy
• TAG Observability
• 1 representative from the Kubernetes CoC Committee - must be an active current member
• 1 representative from the Marketing Committee - must be a chair
• 2 CNCF staff 
• 1 LF Events staff
• External advisors for support

 

If you would like to participate and are eligible per the list above, please notify Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...> no later than June 14. 

 

We apologize for any confusion.

 

Sincerely,

 

Chairs for CNCF Governing Board & Technical Oversight Committee

 

 

From: cncf-gb@... <cncf-gb@...> On Behalf Of Gupta, Arun
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 5:50 PM
To: cncf-gb <cncf-gb@...>
Cc: Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...>
Subject: [cncf-gb] Formation of CNCF CoC Update Working Group

 

To members of the CNCF Governing Board:

 

At KubeCon EU a few weeks ago, CNCF community members and staff came together to discuss making improvements to CNCF’s Code of Conduct (CoC) processes.  CoC process updates will happen in several phases, as described in our recent blog post on Upcoming Code of Conduct Updates at CNCF.  As one important step forward, we are now forming a CNCF Code of Conduct Update Working Group (WG) to continue developing and refining a set of proposed new processes and documentation.  Many thanks to those who have already been working on proposals that will help us move forward.

 

The intended output of this WG is a set of updated policies that can be submitted to the appropriate governing body* for approval, including:

·         Improvements to the CNCF Code of Conduct

·         Charter for a new CNCF CoC Committee 

·         Updated policies regarding communication, confidentiality, & transparency

·         Updated conflict of interest policy

·         Written policy outlining who has jurisdiction of which incidents (LF Events, CNCF CoC Committee, or project-level CoC Committee)

 

Although CNCF has already been operating in accordance with policies of the types listed above, we want to update and better document them through a collaborative community process.

 

*Updates to the Code of Conduct must be approved by the TOC (CNCF Charter §13), but creation of a CoC Committee to handle CoC incident response & resolution must be approved by the Governing Board (CNCF Charter §5(d)(vii)).

 

We are seeking Working Group participants from the following roles:

• Any active Incubating + Graduated Maintainers who wish to volunteer
• 1-2 representatives from the Governing Board (GB)
• 1–2 representatives from the Technical Oversight Committee (TOC)
• 1 representative from each TAG:
• TAG-Security
• TAG-Storage
• TAG-App-Delivery
• TAG-Network
• TAG-Runtime
• TAG Contributor Strategy
• TAG Observability
• 1 representative from the Kubernetes CoC Committee
• 1 representative from the Marketing Committee
• 2 CNCF staff 
• 1 LF Events staff
• External advisors for support

 

If you are an active Incubated or Graduated Maintainer or belong to one of the governing bodies listed above, and you would like to participate in the Working Group, please notify Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...> no later than June 14.  If there are more volunteers from a governing body than seats allocated, the governing body will select its representative.  The time commitment for WG participants would be 3-6 hours per month for a total of 4-6 months. The WG will have 2 co-chairs, one from TOC and one from the GB side to lead meetings, facilitate consensus, etc. 

 

Feedback from the broader community as well as the Governing Board and TOC will be solicited on a regular basis.  Anyone in the community is welcome to submit proposals (PRs on Github) and may be invited to a WG meeting to present it.  

 

The WG will use a private slack and a public github repository for formalizing content. We will schedule the first WG meeting shortly after the WG participants are confirmed.

 

Sincerely,

 

Chairs for CNCF Governing Board & Technical Oversight Committee

 

--

Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

--

Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

--

Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

--

Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

Aeva,

Hmm, did you get a chance to read this? (posted on June 6th, see step #1)

https://www.cncf.io/blog/2022/06/06/upcoming-code-of-conduct-updates-at-cncf/

-- Dims

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 12:57 PM Aeva <aeva.online@...> wrote:

Thanks for the update, Dims! I know these things take the time that they take.

Couple questions, since this is the first I've heard of an "interim code of conduct committee":

- how is the composition of the interim CoCC being decided?

- what process will it follow (modeled after k8s.dev/coc-process or something else)?

- will the interim CoCC be picking up current/ongoing cases, or only handling new cases?is it crashing that fast? :(

Thanks in advance,

--Aeva

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 10:27 AM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:

Hi Aeva,

Apologies for the delay! Earliest on Tuesday (end of day), worst case - end of next week. 

Please expect 2 things:

- composition of an interim cocc

- composition of the cocc WG 

-- Dims

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 11:04 AM Aeva <aeva.online@...> wrote:

Hi Dims,

Checking in as it’s been about a week. When should we expect a follow up?

Best,

Aeva

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 6:48 PM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:

Folks,

FYI. Thanks for all the feedback so far on the WG structure! Please see the update from Arun.

-- Dims

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Gupta, Arun <arun.gupta@...>
Date: Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [cncf-gb] Formation of CNCF CoC Update Working Group
To: cncf-gb <cncf-gb@...>
Cc: Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...>

To members of the CNCF Governing Board:

 

We have received a lot of feedback on the proposed Working Group structure. We are taking that into consideration to ensure that there is diversity and inclusion of people and opinions. We appreciate your patience while this is being worked upon. Please stay tuned.

 

Arun

 

From: cncf-gb@... <cncf-gb@...> on behalf of Gupta, Arun <arun.gupta@...>
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 2:33 PM
To: cncf-gb <cncf-gb@...>
Cc: Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-gb] Formation of CNCF CoC Update Working Group

To members of the CNCF Governing Board:

 

There has been some confusion regarding eligibility to serve as a representative on the Code of Conduct Working Group, so we’re sharing additional details to clarify.  Please see the updated composition list below with clarifications highlighted:

• Any active Incubating + Graduated Maintainer who wishes to volunteer
• 1-2 representatives from the Governing Board - must be a primary member, not an alternate
• 1–2 representatives from the Technical Oversight Committee
• 1 representative from each TAG - must be a chair or technical lead of the TAG
• TAG-Security
• TAG-Storage
• TAG-App-Delivery
• TAG-Network
• TAG-Runtime
• TAG Contributor Strategy
• TAG Observability
• 1 representative from the Kubernetes CoC Committee - must be an active current member
• 1 representative from the Marketing Committee - must be a chair
• 2 CNCF staff 
• 1 LF Events staff
• External advisors for support

 

If you would like to participate and are eligible per the list above, please notify Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...> no later than June 14. 

 

We apologize for any confusion.

 

Sincerely,

 

Chairs for CNCF Governing Board & Technical Oversight Committee

 

 

From: cncf-gb@... <cncf-gb@...> On Behalf Of Gupta, Arun
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 5:50 PM
To: cncf-gb <cncf-gb@...>
Cc: Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...>
Subject: [cncf-gb] Formation of CNCF CoC Update Working Group

 

To members of the CNCF Governing Board:

 

At KubeCon EU a few weeks ago, CNCF community members and staff came together to discuss making improvements to CNCF’s Code of Conduct (CoC) processes.  CoC process updates will happen in several phases, as described in our recent blog post on Upcoming Code of Conduct Updates at CNCF.  As one important step forward, we are now forming a CNCF Code of Conduct Update Working Group (WG) to continue developing and refining a set of proposed new processes and documentation.  Many thanks to those who have already been working on proposals that will help us move forward.

 

The intended output of this WG is a set of updated policies that can be submitted to the appropriate governing body* for approval, including:

·         Improvements to the CNCF Code of Conduct

·         Charter for a new CNCF CoC Committee 

·         Updated policies regarding communication, confidentiality, & transparency

·         Updated conflict of interest policy

·         Written policy outlining who has jurisdiction of which incidents (LF Events, CNCF CoC Committee, or project-level CoC Committee)

 

Although CNCF has already been operating in accordance with policies of the types listed above, we want to update and better document them through a collaborative community process.

 

*Updates to the Code of Conduct must be approved by the TOC (CNCF Charter §13), but creation of a CoC Committee to handle CoC incident response & resolution must be approved by the Governing Board (CNCF Charter §5(d)(vii)).

 

We are seeking Working Group participants from the following roles:

• Any active Incubating + Graduated Maintainers who wish to volunteer
• 1-2 representatives from the Governing Board (GB)
• 1–2 representatives from the Technical Oversight Committee (TOC)
• 1 representative from each TAG:
• TAG-Security
• TAG-Storage
• TAG-App-Delivery
• TAG-Network
• TAG-Runtime
• TAG Contributor Strategy
• TAG Observability
• 1 representative from the Kubernetes CoC Committee
• 1 representative from the Marketing Committee
• 2 CNCF staff 
• 1 LF Events staff
• External advisors for support

 

If you are an active Incubated or Graduated Maintainer or belong to one of the governing bodies listed above, and you would like to participate in the Working Group, please notify Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...> no later than June 14.  If there are more volunteers from a governing body than seats allocated, the governing body will select its representative.  The time commitment for WG participants would be 3-6 hours per month for a total of 4-6 months. The WG will have 2 co-chairs, one from TOC and one from the GB side to lead meetings, facilitate consensus, etc. 

 

Feedback from the broader community as well as the Governing Board and TOC will be solicited on a regular basis.  Anyone in the community is welcome to submit proposals (PRs on Github) and may be invited to a WG meeting to present it.  

 

The WG will use a private slack and a public github repository for formalizing content. We will schedule the first WG meeting shortly after the WG participants are confirmed.

 

Sincerely,

 

Chairs for CNCF Governing Board & Technical Oversight Committee

 

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Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

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Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

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Do you still need intros? If yes, I can introduce you to Alolita who was instrumental on OTel side.

Sent by mobile; please excuse my brevity.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022, 20:02 Nick Young <inocuo@...> wrote:

Thanks everyone for the reminders about OpenTracing and OpenTelemetry, I had completely forgotten about that merge! I'd definitely be interested in hearing more from anyone involved in that either here, or via direct email or Slack DM if you want to talk about it.

Thanks for the response as well Dims, I'm glad we agree on the path forward.

Very interested to hear if anyone else has differing opinions still though!

Nick

On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 at 07:06, Evan Anderson <evana@...> wrote:

The OpenTracing and OpenCensus communities seem to have blazed the way here with OpenTelemetry -- I don't know if they have any learnings that they'd want to share about what worked well, or what could have been done better.

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From: cncf-toc@... <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Davanum Srinivas via lists.cncf.io <davanum=gmail.com@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 3:27 AM
To: Nick Young <inocuo@...>
Cc: CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Policy question: What happens when projects merge?

 

⚠ External Email

Nick,

Thanks for reaching out. One of the main objectives of the process is to give assurance to the end users of CNCF projects that we as a community stand behind the projects they are using (esp graduated ones). So we cannot do this in good faith for Contour. So my feeling is that we should leave contour where it is now, put the effort on the replacement, figure out docs (esp migration etc) and slowly wean the community off contour onto the new replacement which is Envoy Gateway.

thanks,

Dims

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 1:15 AM Nick Young <inocuo@...> wrote:

Hi TOC, and everyone else,

With the successful launch of Envoy Gateway, there's a question about what to do about Contour's lifecycle as an incubated project in the CNCF.

I firmly believe that Envoy Gateway's launch is a huge win for the cloud native landscape, and the deduplication of effort possible by having us all working together will prove worthwhile once we get something built.

Normally, there's a (reasonable) requirement for incubating projects to show motion in the direction of becoming graduated, and a timeline to become graduated. But it seems to me that graduation implies a level of "this will be supported for the foreseeable future" that I don't know is viable for Contour.

VMware has committed to ensuring our maintenance of the project will be ongoing until users are ready to move away, see [our blog](https://blogs.vmware.com/opensource/2022/05/16/contour-and-community-build-new-envoy-gateway/) for more details. To summarize that blog, Contour's VMware maintainers will be helping to ensure that current users of Contour are looked after with features and support as long as possible, Wearing my Contour maintainer hat, we're an incubating project that will, within the next year or two, be mostly obsoleted by a functional, production-ready Envoy Gateway.  This implies that I need to figure out what we're going to do about Contour's incubation status.

The scenario I had assumed is that Contour may not graduate, and personally this makes me a little sad, but I recognize the larger opportunity that Envoy Gateway represents for the cloud native community. I know this situation hasn't come up before, but I suspect that this won't be the last time that CNCF projects interact in this fashion. I’d definitely like the TOC’s guidance here rather than making assumptions though.

Should Contour stay in incubating until Envoy Gateway is a viable alternative and users have moved away, then be archived? The timeline for this I would see as at least two years.

I personally see this as a successful exit for Contour, and have heard it referred to as "the open-source version of being acquired", but it would be nice for the TOC to give both us and other projects who may run into this situation in the future some guidance here.

Thanks for your time, everyone!

Nick Young

Wearing two of my maintainer hats for this email (Contour and Envoy Gateway).

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Thanks everyone for the reminders about OpenTracing and OpenTelemetry, I had completely forgotten about that merge! I'd definitely be interested in hearing more from anyone involved in that either here, or via direct email or Slack DM if you want to talk about it.

Thanks for the response as well Dims, I'm glad we agree on the path forward.

Very interested to hear if anyone else has differing opinions still though!

Nick

On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 at 07:06, Evan Anderson <evana@...> wrote:

The OpenTracing and OpenCensus communities seem to have blazed the way here with OpenTelemetry -- I don't know if they have any learnings that they'd want to share about what worked well, or what could have been done better.

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From: cncf-toc@... <cncf-toc@...> on behalf of Davanum Srinivas via lists.cncf.io <davanum=gmail.com@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2022 3:27 AM
To: Nick Young <inocuo@...>
Cc: CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Policy question: What happens when projects merge?

 

⚠ External Email

Nick,

Thanks for reaching out. One of the main objectives of the process is to give assurance to the end users of CNCF projects that we as a community stand behind the projects they are using (esp graduated ones). So we cannot do this in good faith for Contour. So my feeling is that we should leave contour where it is now, put the effort on the replacement, figure out docs (esp migration etc) and slowly wean the community off contour onto the new replacement which is Envoy Gateway.

thanks,

Dims

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 1:15 AM Nick Young <inocuo@...> wrote:

Hi TOC, and everyone else,

With the successful launch of Envoy Gateway, there's a question about what to do about Contour's lifecycle as an incubated project in the CNCF.

I firmly believe that Envoy Gateway's launch is a huge win for the cloud native landscape, and the deduplication of effort possible by having us all working together will prove worthwhile once we get something built.

Normally, there's a (reasonable) requirement for incubating projects to show motion in the direction of becoming graduated, and a timeline to become graduated. But it seems to me that graduation implies a level of "this will be supported for the foreseeable future" that I don't know is viable for Contour.

VMware has committed to ensuring our maintenance of the project will be ongoing until users are ready to move away, see [our blog](https://blogs.vmware.com/opensource/2022/05/16/contour-and-community-build-new-envoy-gateway/) for more details. To summarize that blog, Contour's VMware maintainers will be helping to ensure that current users of Contour are looked after with features and support as long as possible, Wearing my Contour maintainer hat, we're an incubating project that will, within the next year or two, be mostly obsoleted by a functional, production-ready Envoy Gateway.  This implies that I need to figure out what we're going to do about Contour's incubation status.

The scenario I had assumed is that Contour may not graduate, and personally this makes me a little sad, but I recognize the larger opportunity that Envoy Gateway represents for the cloud native community. I know this situation hasn't come up before, but I suspect that this won't be the last time that CNCF projects interact in this fashion. I’d definitely like the TOC’s guidance here rather than making assumptions though.

Should Contour stay in incubating until Envoy Gateway is a viable alternative and users have moved away, then be archived? The timeline for this I would see as at least two years.

I personally see this as a successful exit for Contour, and have heard it referred to as "the open-source version of being acquired", but it would be nice for the TOC to give both us and other projects who may run into this situation in the future some guidance here.

Thanks for your time, everyone!

Nick Young

Wearing two of my maintainer hats for this email (Contour and Envoy Gateway).

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Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

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Hi all, 

We'll be meeting tomorrow at 8am Pacific.

Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jpoKT12jf2jTf-2EJSAl4iTdA7Aoj_uiI19qIaECNFc/edit#heading=h.du7mbriwq3to 

Presentation: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ARxZNb5orglbugP8CWn7ssqH-R_xidP6UMCaxZnN0Yo/edit#slide=id.g25ca91f87f_0_0

Annual Reviews:  

• Kube-OVN

• Curiefense

• Distribution

• Service Mesh Interface

• K8gb

• KubeVela

• Brigade

• Kuberhealthy

• Skooner

• Trickster

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Amye Scavarda Perrin | Director of Developer Programs, CNCF | amye@...

Thanks for the update, Dims! I know these things take the time that they take.

Couple questions, since this is the first I've heard of an "interim code of conduct committee":

- how is the composition of the interim CoCC being decided?

- what process will it follow (modeled after k8s.dev/coc-process or something else)?

- will the interim CoCC be picking up current/ongoing cases, or only handling new cases?is it crashing that fast? :(

Thanks in advance,

--Aeva

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 10:27 AM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:

Hi Aeva,

Apologies for the delay! Earliest on Tuesday (end of day), worst case - end of next week. 

Please expect 2 things:

- composition of an interim cocc

- composition of the cocc WG 

-- Dims

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 11:04 AM Aeva <aeva.online@...> wrote:

Hi Dims,

Checking in as it’s been about a week. When should we expect a follow up?

Best,

Aeva

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 6:48 PM Davanum Srinivas <davanum@...> wrote:

Folks,

FYI. Thanks for all the feedback so far on the WG structure! Please see the update from Arun.

-- Dims

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Gupta, Arun <arun.gupta@...>
Date: Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [cncf-gb] Formation of CNCF CoC Update Working Group
To: cncf-gb <cncf-gb@...>
Cc: Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...>

To members of the CNCF Governing Board:

 

We have received a lot of feedback on the proposed Working Group structure. We are taking that into consideration to ensure that there is diversity and inclusion of people and opinions. We appreciate your patience while this is being worked upon. Please stay tuned.

 

Arun

 

From: cncf-gb@... <cncf-gb@...> on behalf of Gupta, Arun <arun.gupta@...>
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 2:33 PM
To: cncf-gb <cncf-gb@...>
Cc: Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-gb] Formation of CNCF CoC Update Working Group

To members of the CNCF Governing Board:

 

There has been some confusion regarding eligibility to serve as a representative on the Code of Conduct Working Group, so we’re sharing additional details to clarify.  Please see the updated composition list below with clarifications highlighted:

• Any active Incubating + Graduated Maintainer who wishes to volunteer
• 1-2 representatives from the Governing Board - must be a primary member, not an alternate
• 1–2 representatives from the Technical Oversight Committee
• 1 representative from each TAG - must be a chair or technical lead of the TAG
• TAG-Security
• TAG-Storage
• TAG-App-Delivery
• TAG-Network
• TAG-Runtime
• TAG Contributor Strategy
• TAG Observability
• 1 representative from the Kubernetes CoC Committee - must be an active current member
• 1 representative from the Marketing Committee - must be a chair
• 2 CNCF staff 
• 1 LF Events staff
• External advisors for support

 

If you would like to participate and are eligible per the list above, please notify Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...> no later than June 14. 

 

We apologize for any confusion.

 

Sincerely,

 

Chairs for CNCF Governing Board & Technical Oversight Committee

 

 

From: cncf-gb@... <cncf-gb@...> On Behalf Of Gupta, Arun
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 5:50 PM
To: cncf-gb <cncf-gb@...>
Cc: Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...>
Subject: [cncf-gb] Formation of CNCF CoC Update Working Group

 

To members of the CNCF Governing Board:

 

At KubeCon EU a few weeks ago, CNCF community members and staff came together to discuss making improvements to CNCF’s Code of Conduct (CoC) processes.  CoC process updates will happen in several phases, as described in our recent blog post on Upcoming Code of Conduct Updates at CNCF.  As one important step forward, we are now forming a CNCF Code of Conduct Update Working Group (WG) to continue developing and refining a set of proposed new processes and documentation.  Many thanks to those who have already been working on proposals that will help us move forward.

 

The intended output of this WG is a set of updated policies that can be submitted to the appropriate governing body* for approval, including:

·         Improvements to the CNCF Code of Conduct

·         Charter for a new CNCF CoC Committee 

·         Updated policies regarding communication, confidentiality, & transparency

·         Updated conflict of interest policy

·         Written policy outlining who has jurisdiction of which incidents (LF Events, CNCF CoC Committee, or project-level CoC Committee)

 

Although CNCF has already been operating in accordance with policies of the types listed above, we want to update and better document them through a collaborative community process.

 

*Updates to the Code of Conduct must be approved by the TOC (CNCF Charter §13), but creation of a CoC Committee to handle CoC incident response & resolution must be approved by the Governing Board (CNCF Charter §5(d)(vii)).

 

We are seeking Working Group participants from the following roles:

• Any active Incubating + Graduated Maintainers who wish to volunteer
• 1-2 representatives from the Governing Board (GB)
• 1–2 representatives from the Technical Oversight Committee (TOC)
• 1 representative from each TAG:
• TAG-Security
• TAG-Storage
• TAG-App-Delivery
• TAG-Network
• TAG-Runtime
• TAG Contributor Strategy
• TAG Observability
• 1 representative from the Kubernetes CoC Committee
• 1 representative from the Marketing Committee
• 2 CNCF staff 
• 1 LF Events staff
• External advisors for support

 

If you are an active Incubated or Graduated Maintainer or belong to one of the governing bodies listed above, and you would like to participate in the Working Group, please notify Taylor Waggoner <twaggoner@...> no later than June 14.  If there are more volunteers from a governing body than seats allocated, the governing body will select its representative.  The time commitment for WG participants would be 3-6 hours per month for a total of 4-6 months. The WG will have 2 co-chairs, one from TOC and one from the GB side to lead meetings, facilitate consensus, etc. 

 

Feedback from the broader community as well as the Governing Board and TOC will be solicited on a regular basis.  Anyone in the community is welcome to submit proposals (PRs on Github) and may be invited to a WG meeting to present it.  

 

The WG will use a private slack and a public github repository for formalizing content. We will schedule the first WG meeting shortly after the WG participants are confirmed.

 

Sincerely,

 

Chairs for CNCF Governing Board & Technical Oversight Committee

 

--

Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims

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Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims