Re: [cncf-wg-env-sustainability] recap of WG meeting

Marlow Weston <catblade@...>

Hello Max,

I can appreciate your concerns.

The TAG proposal is in markdown, so it's best to start in the format it needs to be submitted in.  Everyone should have access to the GitHub repo.  Many have been actively contributing already, probably due to seeing the original mail here: .
Admin has been given, on both repos, to multiple individuals (just in case).  If people have issues with the hackmd, then they are welcome to use the GitHub repo.

Thank you for the links to the other documents.  We have tried to include a combo of material from these and used other TAG proposals as guidelines on what to include and will add a credit section at the end.

TAG has a different process than a WG.  In order to have a slot at KubeCon, I was told it was best if we submitted by early/mid August.  Because there has been prior work, we should be able to leverage that to accelerate a mature proposal quickly.  I have reached out to many of the individuals showing up at discussions.  It would be very helpful if you would also reach out to any others you (or any others) may see as interested.

Huamin already started a TAG Chair nomination here (  If others would like to nominate (or be nominated), they should either add to that thread or be ready on August 3rd.

Looking forward to your contributions,

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022, 1:13 AM Max Koerbaecher <max@...> wrote:
Hey there,

thank you.
I would like to request to put this new proposal  in a shared Google Doc. This feels right now not very open and inviting to contribute. Also, you could be busy or your account gets locked and than no one can grant access to the doc. Furthermore, the discussions are hidden as long as the people are not be invited or don't have the right link, strong -1 therefore.

If the people for the TAG nomination needs to be part of this proposal, please add anyone from the original proposal TAG proposal as well as from the WG charter It would be a pity to lose all the input and especially the people who have provided this already.  

I think there is no need to rush and the proposal should be well crafted. The WG got also announced even so it landed only a week before KubeCon (thanks Dave & Katie!).

Thank you for your efforts putting this document together, looking forward to have an open and vibrant discussion!


On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 00:20:22, Marlow Weston <catblade@...> wrote:
Many thanks for this, Erin!

Other notes for folks:

We've gone and started a tag proposal here:

Requests for feedback, and please join the hackmd if you can for more dynamic discussion as not all changes get pushed to that branch quickly.  If you need to know how, please contact me and I'll get you set up quickly with permissions.  I will need your hackmd account name.

Huamin Chen had chair recommendations that he sent to this mailing list.  My understand is that chairs do need to be part of this TAG proposal, is that correct Erin?  

If anyone would like others recommended for this, please do send to the group so we can discuss August 3.  We would like to submit the proposal shortly after that meeting as to not lose momentum and to be able to make kubecon with the announcement, if we can get approved in time.

Many thanks,

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, 5:10 PM Erin Boyd <eboyd@...> wrote:
Hi Folks,
Just wanted to touch base and reiterate our position in the TOC and see if there are any questions moving forward.

The current Environmental Sustainability WG will be disbanded and formalized into a TAG. 
Many of you may be asking 'why?' Let me attempt to address those concerns here:
1) Currently we don't have a governance or process structure that supports work groups unattached/affiliated with a TAG.  We have formalized our documentation to reflect this and recognize our negligence in the formation of the group months ago.
2) Ensure governance, processes, etc... are consistent with the CNCF way & provide an avenue for the TAG to engage with the TOC for support/media/talks/etc...

What is next?
The TOC is looking to work with the current community to submit a proposal for the TAG along with accepting nominations for 3 leadership co-chair positions. These will be voted on by the TOC. These positions have a 2-year term limit consistent with the other TAG co-chairs.

@Richard Hartmann and I are here to help and will be serving as your TOC sponsors!
We look forward to working with you. Please let us know how we can help.



Erin A. Boyd

Director of Emerging Technologies OCTO

Distinguished Engineer

Red Hat


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