Re: [VOTE] OpenTelemetry for incubation


Mark Carter
 

+1 NB.
Excited to see this moving forward, important ask from AWS customers.
Mark


On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:27 PM Eduardo Silva <eduardo@...> wrote:

-1 non-binding

Disclaimer: I like OTel project and even in Fluent ecosystem we are working towards integration with it.

My reasons might be controversial but I think OTel is not ready for incubation "yet".

As an end-user and project maintainer, I care about usability. OTel aims to cover Traces, Metrics, and Logs:

  • At this point, only Traces are in GA state. Usable.

  • Metrics: API and SDKs are "DRAFT" and the collector is experimental. Per my understanding, there is no stable integration with openmetrics or Prometheus ecosystem (for me and "many companies" this is a must). Partial usable.

  • Logs: API and SDKs are "DRAFT", the collector is experimental. Not usable.

A project at the incubation stage has to demonstrate maturity and wide adoption, if this is not the case as a foundation (CNCF) we might be sending the wrong message to the end users.

We aim to incubate projects with enough maturity and a minimal level of usability, but this is not the case. This is nothing against OTel but a purely technical opinion. I know we cannot incubate a sub-set of it like Traces only, but this is a complete offering and there are missing pieces of integration and implementation.

I think moving OTel to incubation might help cloud vendors to spread the message, but what about the end users?

The formal doc states:

"TOC acknowledged the gaps in stability and adoption of significant Logging and Metric parts of the OpenTelemetry project. TOC confirmed it should not be a blocker for incubation. "

I disagree, I think this is a blocker, there is so much pressure from vendors..., and rushing things might not be beneficial for the long term.

Why not wait a bit more and do a proper incubation with the minimal pieces on it? I think staying in Sandbox a bit more will be beneficial for the project while rushing it might hurt the ecosystem.


On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 at 15:48, Bob Killen <killen.bob@...> wrote:
+1 non-binding.
\o/


On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:31 PM Amye Scavarda Perrin <ascavarda@...> wrote:
OpenTelemetry has applied to move from Sandbox to Incubation.

PR: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/619
Due Diligence (DD) doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f4WQR6K84giyOCKjCsqcoVA8YUIzBhWZDVo3CwM1wuk/edit

Alena Prokharchyk has called for public comment (https://lists.cncf.io/g/cncf-toc/message/5914) and has approved a call for a public vote.
 
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