Also, to be clear, I think Ambassador is a big part of the OSS brand and I had erroneously thought that we were sticking with that name. If we are going to change the name to something entirely new it might be good to do that and then circle back in a few months to see how it's going.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:47 AM Matt Klein via lists.cncf.io <mattklein123=gmail.com@...> wrote:

I'm sorry for not tracking this more closely, but I agree with Joe on this. I'm not OK with an acronym for something that IMO is too generic. I think you either have to stick with Ambassador or choose an entirely new name.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:37 AM Joe Beda <joe@...> wrote:

IC4E only begs the question about what it stands for.  It also doesn't set the project up, IMO, for success as the more memorable name will be with the commercial entity and it could stunt the development of the open source project outside of the commercial attachments.  If this were at the Sandbox level I probably wouldn't be bringing this up, but the name change along with introduction into Incubation is something new that the CNCF hasn't seen before.  I worry people will still colloquially refer to the OSS project as "Ambassador" (and documentation and install scripts still use the name).

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:32 AM Daniel Bryant <daniel.bryant@...> wrote:

Hi Joe, Matt, many thanks for your comments.

@Matt, I remember you raising this in the DD document comments, and @Chris Aniszczyk suggested this would be acceptable under the trademark policy (e.g. "X for Envoy"). He suggested that we use a short name like "IC4E" in the docs and new website that would be created for the project.

We originally looked to ingress-nginx as inspiration, since the community seems to have accepted this as a name even though it’s well-understood it’s not “official”. We also wanted to with a descriptive name instead of an abstract name, because we thought it would be easier for people to understand.

Best wishes,

Daniel

On 06/01/2021 19:54, Matt Klein wrote:

> I object to the name "Ingress Controller for Envoy Proxy” as that also describes Contour.  This will create confusion and will be easily misread as "THE Ingress Controller for Envoy Proxy" and will violate the "no kingmakers" value of the TOC.

I agree and I raised a similar concern at some point but I don't remember the outcome here. @Daniel Bryant?

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:48 AM Joe Beda <joe@...> wrote:

What is the new name?  The name "ambassador" is all over the docs and I'd expect to see this reframed around the new name.

I object to the name "Ingress Controller for Envoy Proxy” as that also describes Contour.  This will create confusion and will be easily misread as "THE Ingress Controller for Envoy Proxy" and will violate the "no kingmakers" value of the TOC.

Joe

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 9:12 AM Matt Klein <mattklein123@...> wrote:

All,

Ambassador is applying for incubation status:

• Issue: https://github.com/cncf/toc/pull/435
• DD: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bJhfqEADNI7YSQPyi8Kmb1VvN2FaqxMFRsYvp-vZQLg/edit

DD has been reviewed by myself and SIG Network and we are supportive. We are now calling for the 2 week public comment period prior to the vote.

Thanks,

Matt

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