Re: Thoughts on KubeCon


Michael Hausenblas <mhausenb@...>
 

As an ambassador, I would find it easier to justify
traveling to a small conference then a meetup, as
in either cases I have to get a flight/train ticket and
a hotel for the night, but at a meetup time spent at
the event is much much less, thereby time spent
talking to attendees is significantly less.
+1

Also, we could think about how we could leverage
https://www.meetup.com/pro/cncf/ for it ;)

Cheers,
Michael

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ilya Dmitrichenko <ilya@...>
Reply: Ilya Dmitrichenko <ilya@...>
Date: 16 October 2018 at 10:28:32
To: Matt Farina <matt@...>
Cc: CNCF TOC <cncf-toc@...>, Camille Fournier
<skamille@...>, Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...>
Subject:  Re: [cncf-toc] Thoughts on KubeCon

I second Matt's and Alexis' point on having more
of local mini-conferences/camps. Even for those
in the US or Europe, there isn't always a chance to
travel to a major city, and hotel prices as well as
duration of the even are a major factor.
Also, meetups have a number of properties that
make them less then idea, the fact that meetups
run in the evenings implies a lot, we cannot under-
estimate all seemingly small factors, e.g. the fact
that one may come to a meetup after a long day
of work and have low energy level already.
At a small 1-2 day even folks get to know each
other much more, also those of who may be more
shy get to voice their ideas and opinions, maybe
even for the first time within a wider group.

As an ambassador, I would find it easier to justify
traveling to a small conference then a meetup, as
in either cases I have to get a flight/train ticket and
a hotel for the night, but at a meetup time spent at
the event is much much less, thereby time spent
talking to attendees is significantly less.


Ilya

On Thu, 4 Oct 2018, 3:24 pm Matt Farina, wrote:

The CNCF site notes:
"The Cloud Native Computing Foundation builds sustainable ecosystems and
fosters
a community around a constellation of high-quality projects that
orchestrate
containers as part of a microservices architecture."

*If we want to foster community around these technologies the end-users
need to far outpace the vendors or projects.* Successful open source
projects often have a community of users where only a small fraction are
even publicly engaged in the project.

Meetups aren’t enough to foster cloud native computing in local markets.

WordCamp, DrupalCamp, and devops days are good examples of local
conferences that helped grow the ecosystem.

When it comes to growing ecosystems WordPress is a great example. It powers
31.9% of the web
. No
matter what we think of the technology the approach around it does have
some lessons.

For several years there was a conference in Ohio called CloudDevelop. It
was a local/regional conference with most people being local. It was about
cloud development, mostly with traditional IaaS. Several hundred people
would attend. Many of whom worked for banks, insurance companies, school
districts, and other places like these. Most of them wouldn’t travel to the
big conferences but what they learned and shared here was valuable and
helped expand the use and understanding of cloud. These same people often
won’t attend meetups because they have family responsibilities and other
things going on in their evenings.


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On Oct 4, 2018, at 9:33 AM, Camille Fournier wrote:

Meetups are nice but not at all a substitute for a good end-user focused
conference, so let's please not conflate the two things.

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, 9:25 AM Chris Aniszczyk <
caniszczyk@...> wrote:

Thanks for pointing those out. As Dan mentioned, it's on the agenda for
2019 to support some smaller more regional events in new geos.

Currently we encourage folks to start a join an existing meetup, we have
over 150+ worldwide:
Meetups: http://meetups.cncf.io/

We have been deliberately reaching out to folks all over the world and
the program has been growing every month since its inception (instructions
on how to create a meetup here: https://github.com/cncf/meetups)

We also have an ambassador program where we support folks that run
meetups or speak at a variety of conferences that we may not be able to get
too: https://www.cncf.io/people/ambassadors/

So in short, we're definitely looking to fill in the gaps next year and
this is something I suggest you engage with the CNCF Marketing Committee,
which is chaired by Mark Coleman:
https://www.cncf.io/people/marketing-committee/

On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:12 AM Matt Farina wrote:

Has anyone looked at the WordCamp model
for local conferences? They are somewhere in between a KubeCon and a meetup.

There are several benefits to this model like:


- They are local and can be on work time. Meetups cut into evenings
and are short. Large conferences require travel. As someone outside a tech
bubble city I see the appeal for locals.
- It builds up local ecosystem of cloud native folks. In particular
end-users
- These local conferences are a great way for people to learn and
hone speaking skills so they have the confidence to do a great job at the
larger ones
- It helps build more and more capable end users


They aren’t hard to organize.

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