Re: What's the point? (or,"What's the Emperor wearing?")

Zhipeng Huang

I think Sandbox is important for building a vibrant ecosystem, if the community could provide an excellent open source infrastructure (such as CI) then having sandbox project functioning like Chris mentioned is a great thing.

The word constellation caught my eye from Alena's response. I think one way the foundation could be helpful is that in addition to the landscape we have now, ToC could coordinate the projects (incubated, graduated, sandboxed) to provide guides on various scenarios of integrations among these projects. AFAIK this type of thing is only maintained by specific projects or written on a blog by specific project contributors (e.g "How to use envoy together with kubernetes")

Since many cloud native users will need to utilize a bunch of CNCF projects for various purposes, if they could easily find documentation on how these projects interact with each other if needed to, it would be beneficial for adoption and then broaden the ecosystem.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 3:39 AM Chris Aniszczyk <caniszczyk@...> wrote:
There was a lot of discussion regarding the sandbox (especially with the k8s incubator dissolving but the idea is that there was a need for a place for experimentation so projects can grow into high quality incubating/graduated projects as this process takes time if it does at all (

"Encourage public visibility of experiments or other early work that can add value to the CNCF mission and build the ingredients of a successful Incubation level project"

All sandbox projects get reviewed on an annual basis and may archived from the foundation. I expect to potentially see our first projects archived over the next 12 months but it's hard to predict the future.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Alena Prokharchyk <alena@...> wrote:
Sandbox is a great model that enforces collaboration and cloud native ecosystem growth. But it feels that the main CNCF goal of "fostering a community around a constellation of high-quality projects" in a way contradicts the current sandbox rule - "CNCF Sandbox projects can stay in the sandbox indefinitely". Indefinite membership - even with limited CNCF investment - is not sustainable without raising a quality bar at the acceptance level and beyond. Also the reasons why the sandbox candidate is found technically interesting/innovative, what advantages it has over similar projects (having a great community qualifies too) or/and why it is considered to be a high risk, can be delivered to the CNCF community with more clarify to reduce the chances of kingmaking blame

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Zhipeng (Howard) Huang

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