Re: [VOTE] CNCF Sandbox proposal


alexis richardson
 

Bob, All,

Thank-you all for your feedback on the Sandbox doc.

Please don't send any more new names as suggestions. While all
feedback is always welcome, I think the TOC settled on "Sandbox"
already.

We *can* share some nomenclature with other OSS foundations. That is
a Good Thing. But, sharing nomenclature does not imply that each
stage is identical. For example CNCF and ASF share "Incubation" but
use it differently. Both express an idea of relative immaturity. At
CNCF, Incubation stage is a straight up precursor for Graduation.
Incubation and Graduation let us express CNCF values and operating
principles: https://www.cncf.io/projects/graduation-criteria/ Do also
please note that maturity criteria may evolve. For example, the
number of independent maintainers has been raised as a metric for
"community". The CNCF certainly values community.

HOWEVER: If there is still confusion about the meaning of the Sandbox
stage, then let us make the document clearer.

alexis

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 1:39 AM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:
It's a good callout, but I think it makes my point even stronger.

From https://commons.apache.org/sandbox.html

"The Sandbox is a Subversion repository for Commons committers to function
as an open workspace for sharing and collaboration."

I think we are creating confusion by calling it that. It isn't an open
workspace, it requires limited TOC support, which seems clearly intended to
nuture possible projects towards the next stage but with a lower bar. We
might ALSO need a sandbox. That seems less clear.

-Bob


On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 1:24 PM, Gou Rao <grao@...> wrote:

FWIW, I believe the inspiration for sandbox came from the Apache project,
which uses the same term.

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Bob Wise <bob@...> wrote:

As long as we are playing around with names in a non-blocking way, might
I add to the list "greenhouse"?
In favor of this idea it is more aligned to selective nuturing things as
they start to grow, rather than playing around and experimentation -
"sandbox".

-Bob

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Richard Hartmann <richih@...>
wrote:

This might be overly colo[u]rful, but what about playground[ or
kindergarten]? It implies no quality whatsoever, that breaking stuff
is fine and with little consequence, and clearly carries an
expectation for things to grow up before any progression.


Richard


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