Re: Incubating and Inception levels in marketing materials


alexis richardson
 

Luis

The CNCF does and should endorse cross-org maintainership. It has to
be realistic though. Many projects have a very healthy lifecycle with
just one group backing them, even when that group coincides with a
single legal entity.

a

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 5:15 AM, Luis Pab?n <luis@...> wrote:
Hi Alexis,
I think it is more about having a healthy open community with multiple
consistent maintainers and contributors. Multiple backgrounds and agendas
increase the amount of innovation in the project, but projects with a single
company/maintainer might lack that drive.

- Luis

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:20 PM, alexis richardson <alexis@...>
wrote:

Erin

Please could you be specific? Do you think Inception and/or
Incubation should require Maintainers from more companies? I am not
promising changes, but *now* is the time to table and debate this. If
people have concerns, please invite them to voice them here or have a
sponsor do so on their behalf.

alexis


On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 8:24 PM, Erin Boyd <eboyd@...> wrote:
Hi Alexis,
It's not a question, but just an observation of voiced 'concern' I see
on
many of the inception level requests, where the feedback is "where is
the
community support beyond company A", etc.

So redefining our "what is means to be Cloud Native" and including Open
Source as part of this primary driving directive, it seems
counter-intuitive
to accept projects, even at an inception level if they don't strong
community support.

Thoughts?
Erin



On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 12:06 PM, alexis richardson <alexis@...>
wrote:

Erin

Thank you.

What is your question about community support?

Alexis


On Mon, 5 Feb 2018, 19:02 Erin Boyd, <eboyd@...> wrote:

Alexis/Dan et all,
I appreciate the work it is to grow this foundation and ensure it
lands
in a healthy place, it's no small feat!

With the popularity of CNCF, it's 'endorsement' to projects is a huge
success factor.

And while I know we are current revamping definitions to provide
better
understanding of the stages of a project, I think many in the
community are
concerned that outside of this, perception is reality. Honestly, if I
am a
potential customer and looking at a project, just having it listed
(with a
bunch of other projects at different levels) on the CNCF website
probably
instills a certain amount of confidence in the project.

The criteria between inception to graduation is well documented and
understood by the TOC, but outside of that, I am not sure.
Many times it's been brought of that for instance, "community support
is
not sufficient for xyz project". We have agreed this is not a strict
requirement of inception, however those active in the Open Source
community
see this as criteria zero.

Also, do we have a good way of tracking technical concerns brought
forward from the DD to the next phase? Have we considered creating and
publishing a concrete timeline around each of these phases and what
the plan
is if projects don't meet these guidelines? I feel that many people
are
trying to provide good due diligence while also balancing their day
jobs, so
things are also getting possibly missed because the dates aren't well
defined. (I know I've mentioned this to Chris so sorry to feel like a
broken
record here).

Would love to hear other's thoughts around this.
Thanks,
Erin



On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 9:20 AM, alexis richardson <alexis@...>
wrote:

Jess

That's really one for Dan but AIUI the whole website is in the
process
of being nurtured into an optimal state for 2018 .... So all
comments
good & timely, anywhere.

a



On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Jessica Frazelle <me@...>
wrote:
Quick question: what are the platinum members, the ones who paid
the
300k?

Do they need to be on the same slide / materials as the projects?
Is
that written into a contract or something? Also I'm more than happy
to
ask this on the call :)

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 11:14 AM, alexis richardson
<alexis@...> wrote:
thanks Dan & team

@all TOC community, please do comment to Dan directly or on
tomorrow's TOC call


On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Dan Kohn <dan@...>
wrote:
We'll be discussing maturity levels on the TOC call. This is just
a
quick
note that at the TOC's request, we revised CNCF marketing
materials
to
clearly separate Incubating and Inception projects:

https://www.cncf.io/
https://www.cncf.io/projects/


https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1BoxFeENJcINgHbKfygXpXROchiRO2LBT-pzdaOFr4Zg/edit#slide=id.g2c13d20ecb_1_0

We will obviously add a more prominent graduated section as soon
as
the
first projects graduate. The same project separation will carry
over
to our
marketing materials for KubeCon + CloudNativeCon.
--
Dan Kohn <dan@...>
Executive Director, Cloud Native Computing Foundation
https://www.cncf.io
+1-415-233-1000 https://www.dankohn.com



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Jessie Frazelle
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