do you mean Linuxkit or Infrakit, Rob?

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Rob Hirschfeld via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

Solomon,

Sorry for the delay - ToC meeting tomorrow reminded me that this was pending....

The Docker team has done a good job answering questions.  My point is that this area has a lot of churn right now and the scope of LinuxKit is huge and evolving.  Since it's very pluggable, it appears to be a "do anything."

My expectation would be that narrowly defined components would be faster to bring into CNCF and something with a large scope would move slower.   I'd have similar reservations about Digital Rebar in it's integrated form which is why I offered to demo it.

Note: I do agree that LinuxKit and our Digital Rebar efforts are collaborative. especially on the metal provision side. 

Rob

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:27 PM Solomon Hykes <solomon.hykes@...> wrote:

Rob, Zach, to clarify: do you have specific concerns about InfraKit that we should ask Dave to address?

My understanding is that 1) InfraKit is OS-agnostic and does not require LinuxKit 2) InfraKit does not impose an immutable operating system pattern.

Rob, you suggest more review: specifically what should we review? I think we should aim to get to "yes" or "no" in a timely fashion.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Zachary Smith via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

I'd agree with Rob here.  LinuxKit is certain a component, but I think that the full hardware and network lifecycle associated with booting "all the things" is a pretty broad and messy space right now, particularly across private datacenters vs public clouds.

-Zac

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Rob Hirschfeld via cncf-toc <cncf-toc@...> wrote:

Responding to request from TOC meeting last week...

I think that Day 1 and Day 2 provisioning is key area for CNCF to cover; however, I think that the space is transforming in several different ways so I would suggest more review by the TOC.  Obviously, I have an interest in this since I'm a lead on Digital Rebar.  For that reason, I'm reluctant to push against or pull for related projects.

For LinuxKit specifically, I think the emphasis on immutable operating systems should be considered carefully.  There are many benefits to this approach but they cannot be applied generally to legacy workloads and management tooling.  I believe that operational adoption is accelerated when tooling fits well with both new and existing ops models.

Again - I'm happy to show how we solve this problem with Digital Rebar at a TOC.  It's not just about physical provisioning - managing server life-cycle in multiple infastructures is a key design requirement.  Tooling that does not address the full life-cycle may actually make management harder over time.

Rob
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On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Alex Baretto <axbaretto@...> wrote:

+1 to Alexis and Rob.

I'd really like to see a good breakdown comparison between Infrakit and digital rebar, bosh, cloudformation, fog,and others

Alex Baretto

On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 08:51 Rob Hirschfeld via cncf-toc <Rob Hirschfeld via cncf-toc > wrote:

All,

I'd be happy to present / demo Digital Rebar to provide another cloud native perspective on how to address hybrid infrastructure automation.  I believe that would help provide a helpful perspective on operational concerns and how to address them in a way that fits the CNCF community.  As you know, we've been heavily involved in the Kubernetes community and have been showing an approach that uses the community Ansible for Kubernetes.  We've also done demos also showing LinuxKit integration.

Rob

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On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Alexis Richardson <alexis@...> wrote:

Thanks David, Patrick et al., for Infrakit pres today!

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Lzy94UNzdSXkqZCvrwjkcChKpU8u2waDqGx_Sjy5eJ8/edit#slide=id.g22ccd21963_2_0


Per Bryan's Q re Terraform, it would also be good to hear about BOSH &
Infrakit feature comparison.  And other related tech you see in the
space.

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