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Re: Meeting times for observe k8s working group

Alolita Sharma

#84

Hi Ken - let's make sure to keep PT friendly timezones for all calls in the future :-)

Best,
Alolita

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On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:28 AM Ken Finnigan <ken@...> wrote:

Hi Alolita,

The current time slot was the most popular among those voting in the Doodle poll we had last week. I double checked and, unfortunately, there wasn't another time later in the day where the majority of those voting were able to attend.

I appreciate the time slot makes it very difficult for anyone in PT, but as we're currently scheduled for tomorrow morning I don't see us being able to find a more appropriate time between now and then.

However, we can definitely work to find a more TZ friendly time for everyone that is wanting to participate in the working group for future meetings. The meeting tomorrow will be recorded for anyone unable to attend in person.

Regards
Ken

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:10 AM Alolita Sharma <alolita.sharma@...> wrote:
Hi Ken - the 6-7am PT for this workgroup does not work for the west coast. Any way this time could be changed to 8-9am PT?

Best regards,
Alolita

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 3:06 AM Ken Finnigan <ken@...> wrote:
Thanks Josh

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 14:47 Josh Gavant <joshgavant@...> wrote:
FYI the right link for the poll is https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/lej158Pd (I got it from Slack).

Re: Meeting times for observe k8s working group

Ken Finnigan

#83

Hi Alolita,

The current time slot was the most popular among those voting in the Doodle poll we had last week. I double checked and, unfortunately, there wasn't another time later in the day where the majority of those voting were able to attend.

I appreciate the time slot makes it very difficult for anyone in PT, but as we're currently scheduled for tomorrow morning I don't see us being able to find a more appropriate time between now and then.

However, we can definitely work to find a more TZ friendly time for everyone that is wanting to participate in the working group for future meetings. The meeting tomorrow will be recorded for anyone unable to attend in person.

Regards

Ken

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On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:10 AM Alolita Sharma <alolita.sharma@...> wrote:

Hi Ken - the 6-7am PT for this workgroup does not work for the west coast. Any way this time could be changed to 8-9am PT?

Best regards,
Alolita

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 3:06 AM Ken Finnigan <ken@...> wrote:
Thanks Josh

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 14:47 Josh Gavant <joshgavant@...> wrote:
FYI the right link for the poll is https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/lej158Pd (I got it from Slack).

Re: Meeting times for observe k8s working group

Alolita Sharma

#82

Hi Ken - the 6-7am PT for this workgroup does not work for the west coast. Any way this time could be changed to 8-9am PT?

Best regards,

Alolita

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On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 3:06 AM Ken Finnigan <ken@...> wrote:

Thanks Josh

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 14:47 Josh Gavant <joshgavant@...> wrote:
FYI the right link for the poll is https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/lej158Pd (I got it from Slack).

Observe k8s working group

Ken Finnigan

#81

All,

The most popular time for the meeting was Wednesday 9-10am EDT.

I've set up a calendar event for it until we have an official one from the CNCF.

Look forward to speaking with everyone!

Thanks

Ken

Guidance on structure for deprecated API use metric

Matt Young

#80

Hello folks!

TLDR: this is something to watch. I'll be attending SIG Architecture meeting today to determine if there are any next steps, and to get a feeling for the timeline(s) involved. There is an opportunity to blog about this, and to provide the community we serve visibility and a concrete working example. I would suggest this makes sense to park in the observe-k8s WG's purview.

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There's some work out of SIG-Architecture that adds a new observable point that folks should be aware of...stemming from the SIG's 2021 report here:

https://hackmd.io/S3VflrjUSc6X3EEdzC5-3A

The KEP is around warnings for deprecated api's:

https://github.com/kubernetes/enhancements/blob/master/keps/sig-api-machinery/1693-warnings/README.md

SIG Instrumentation picked this an aspect of this (see email below, Damien is chair of SIG Instrumentation, cc'd).

WDYT?

Matt

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Sounds perfect. Happy with that strategy.

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:46 PM 'Jordan Liggitt' via kubernetes-sig-instrumentation <kubernetes-sig-...@...> wrote:

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I agree the metrics by themselves are not sufficient, which is why the KEP also adds kubectl warnings (for user visibility) and audit annotations (to let admins identify specific problematic clients).

> What would an administrator do about that if they get an alert for it?

I envision several ways admins could use this or respond to the metric:
Requiring the metric to be clean after a CI run to ensure nothing is making use of deprecated APIs
Adding a warning before upgrading to version X if requests to deprecated APIs removed in version X were made recently
Using a cheap metric check to trigger a more expensive audit log sweep to identify/notify problematic clients
> Just looking at the metrics, I think I like the balance of 2 the most as well (not extending the existing request metrics, and not adding a whole lot of new series)

Sounds good.

> At the very least we should document how to go from the metric to the audit log entry

Definitely, I plan to add documentation for the following:
Detecting if deprecated requests have been made to an API server
Joining the deprecated request metric to the count metric to get more details about volume, read/write nature, scope, etc
Filtering audit events to requests for deprecated APIs to locate clients

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Re: Meeting times for observe k8s working group

Ken Finnigan

#79

Thanks Josh

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On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 14:47 Josh Gavant <joshgavant@...> wrote:

FYI the right link for the poll is https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/lej158Pd (I got it from Slack).

Re: Meeting times for observe k8s working group

Josh Gavant

#78

FYI the right link for the poll is https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/lej158Pd (I got it from Slack).

Meeting times for observe k8s working group

Ken Finnigan

#77

All,

For anyone interested in participating in the observe k8s working group, please provide your availability in this poll.

We hope to have the first meeting of the working group the week of the 28th.

Thanks

Ken

[cncf-toc] [RESULT] OpenMetrics approved for incubation

Matt Young

#76

FYI

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Doodle: WG: observe-k8s, poll for recurring time

Matt Young

#75

Hello!

Here's the link to a scheduling poll for our next sync of these early days for the observe-k8s TAG Working Group:

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/rb27w5Jd

I've populated this with Thurs 16th - Weds 22nd, let's use this both as a specific meeting doodle, but also as a general poll to see if this time band works, and what day(s) folks prefer.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MGo8x3x_3jXo_zvWCCpi0bQPz3P_t7FqNB7pnIDtqRg/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks,

Matt

WG: observe-k8s.io / observe-k8s.dev

Matt Young

#74

Hello folks!

Following up from our most recent TAG meeting, we're meeting tomorrow (post doodle). Moving forward we'll find a regular time slot for a cadenced set of WG meetings.

CNCF TAG Observability WG: observe-k8s, week of 2021-12-06

https://zoom.us/j/98489806162?pwd=REwzQmZuTkIxaEIzMVVjczFmaHZ6UT09

Let's find a time that works for a weekly (for now) sync on the WG for observe-k8s.

WG Working Doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MGo8x3x_3jXo_zvWCCpi0bQPz3P_t7FqNB7pnIDtqRg/edit?usp=sharing

Dec 9, 2021 10:00 AM Eastern Time (US and Canada)

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Re: [cncf-toc] Nomination of Alolita Sharma to TAG Observability Co-Chair

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+1, NB

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Subject: Re: [cncf-toc] Nomination of Alolita Sharma to TAG Observability Co-Chair

+1 🎉 NB

Kind Regards,

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+1 NB

Alolita brings deep observability and open source expertise as well as an amazing energy.

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On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 9:46 PM Matt Young <myoung@...> wrote:

Dear TAG Observability Liaisons and all TOC members,

We the co-chairs and technical lead for TAG Observability nominate Alolita Sharma, (CC’ed) as the third co-chair for TAG Observability. She has confirmed her interest, passion and that she will be able to invest sufficient time and priority to this role.

Most of you will know her from her work on the Governing Board of OpenTelemetry, Wikipedia, and Unicode.

Her words follow:

Alolita is Principal Technologist at AWS where she leads open source observability strategy and engineering for OpenTelemetry, Prometheus, Cortex and Grafana. In OpenTelemetry, she leads the interoperability workgroup ensuring OpenTelemetry protocol and metrics implementation are fully compatible with Prometheus. Alolita also serves as a member of the OpenTelemetry Governance Committee and as a board director of the Unicode Consortium. She contributes to open standards on the Unicode Technical Committee and W3C. She has served on the boards of the OSI and SFLC.in. Alolita has built and led engineering teams at Wikipedia, Twitter, PayPal and IBM. Two decades of doing open source continue to inspire her. You can find her on Twitter @alolita.

Please consider our nomination of Alolita Sharma as a TAG Observability co-chair. Alolita’s vision, domain expertise and perspective will be invaluable to the TAG, it’s growing community and the TOC.

We ask that you formally vote and invite the wider community to support this nomination with non-binding votes.

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Re: [cncf-toc] Nomination of Alolita Sharma to TAG Observability Co-Chair

Mark Carter <markcartertm@...>

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+1 NB

Alolita brings deep observability and open source expertise as well as an amazing energy.

Mark

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On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 9:46 PM Matt Young <myoung@...> wrote:

Dear TAG Observability Liaisons and all TOC members,

We the co-chairs and technical lead for TAG Observability nominate Alolita Sharma, (CC’ed) as the third co-chair for TAG Observability. She has confirmed her interest, passion and that she will be able to invest sufficient time and priority to this role.

Most of you will know her from her work on the Governing Board of OpenTelemetry, Wikipedia, and Unicode.

Her words follow:

Alolita is Principal Technologist at AWS where she leads open source observability strategy and engineering for OpenTelemetry, Prometheus, Cortex and Grafana. In OpenTelemetry, she leads the interoperability workgroup ensuring OpenTelemetry protocol and metrics implementation are fully compatible with Prometheus. Alolita also serves as a member of the OpenTelemetry Governance Committee and as a board director of the Unicode Consortium. She contributes to open standards on the Unicode Technical Committee and W3C. She has served on the boards of the OSI and SFLC.in. Alolita has built and led engineering teams at Wikipedia, Twitter, PayPal and IBM. Two decades of doing open source continue to inspire her. You can find her on Twitter @alolita.

Please consider our nomination of Alolita Sharma as a TAG Observability co-chair. Alolita’s vision, domain expertise and perspective will be invaluable to the TAG, it’s growing community and the TOC.

We ask that you formally vote and invite the wider community to support this nomination with non-binding votes.

Matt Young & Richard Hartmann
Co-Chairs, CNCF TAG Observability

Re: [cncf-toc] Nomination of Alolita Sharma to TAG Observability Co-Chair

Bartłomiej Płotka

#67

+1 🎉 NB

Kind Regards,

Bartek Płotka (@bwplotka)

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+1 NB
Alolita brings deep observability and open source expertise as well as an amazing energy.
Mark

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On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 9:46 PM Matt Young <myoung@...> wrote:
Dear TAG Observability Liaisons and all TOC members,

We the co-chairs and technical lead for TAG Observability nominate Alolita Sharma, (CC’ed) as the third co-chair for TAG Observability. She has confirmed her interest, passion and that she will be able to invest sufficient time and priority to this role.

Most of you will know her from her work on the Governing Board of OpenTelemetry, Wikipedia, and Unicode.

Her words follow:

Alolita is Principal Technologist at AWS where she leads open source observability strategy and engineering for OpenTelemetry, Prometheus, Cortex and Grafana. In OpenTelemetry, she leads the interoperability workgroup ensuring OpenTelemetry protocol and metrics implementation are fully compatible with Prometheus. Alolita also serves as a member of the OpenTelemetry Governance Committee and as a board director of the Unicode Consortium. She contributes to open standards on the Unicode Technical Committee and W3C. She has served on the boards of the OSI and SFLC.in. Alolita has built and led engineering teams at Wikipedia, Twitter, PayPal and IBM. Two decades of doing open source continue to inspire her. You can find her on Twitter @alolita.

Please consider our nomination of Alolita Sharma as a TAG Observability co-chair. Alolita’s vision, domain expertise and perspective will be invaluable to the TAG, it’s growing community and the TOC.

We ask that you formally vote and invite the wider community to support this nomination with non-binding votes.

Matt Young & Richard Hartmann
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Re: Nomination of Alolita Sharma to TAG Observability Co-Chair

Matt Young

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On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 9:46 PM Matt Young <myoung@...> wrote:

Dear TAG Observability Liaisons and all TOC members,

We the co-chairs and technical lead for TAG Observability nominate Alolita Sharma, (CC’ed) as the third co-chair for TAG Observability. She has confirmed her interest, passion and that she will be able to invest sufficient time and priority to this role.

Most of you will know her from her work on the Governing Board of OpenTelemetry, Wikipedia, and Unicode.

Her words follow:

Alolita is Principal Technologist at AWS where she leads open source observability strategy and engineering for OpenTelemetry, Prometheus, Cortex and Grafana. In OpenTelemetry, she leads the interoperability workgroup ensuring OpenTelemetry protocol and metrics implementation are fully compatible with Prometheus. Alolita also serves as a member of the OpenTelemetry Governance Committee and as a board director of the Unicode Consortium. She contributes to open standards on the Unicode Technical Committee and W3C. She has served on the boards of the OSI and SFLC.in. Alolita has built and led engineering teams at Wikipedia, Twitter, PayPal and IBM. Two decades of doing open source continue to inspire her. You can find her on Twitter @alolita.

Please consider our nomination of Alolita Sharma as a TAG Observability co-chair. Alolita’s vision, domain expertise and perspective will be invaluable to the TAG, it’s growing community and the TOC.

We ask that you formally vote and invite the wider community to support this nomination with non-binding votes.

Matt Young & Richard Hartmann
Co-Chairs, CNCF TAG Observability

Skipping the 2021-08-17 call

Richard Hartmann

#65

Dear all,

as most of us seem to be on vacation, we decided to skip the 2021-08-17 call.

See you in September,
Richard

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