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Starting work on Operator Working Group

Reitbauer, Alois
 

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work 😊. If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 

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Michael Hrivnak
 

I'd like to contribute. Looking forward to it.


On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:04 AM Reitbauer, Alois <alois.reitbauer@...> wrote:

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work 😊. If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 

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Michael Hrivnak

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Red Hat

Gerred Dillon
 

I'm in!


On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:13 AM Michael Hrivnak <mhrivnak@...> wrote:
I'd like to contribute. Looking forward to it.

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:04 AM Reitbauer, Alois <alois.reitbauer@...> wrote:

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work 😊. If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 

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Michael Hrivnak

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Red Hat

Jay Pipes
 

+1 from me.

On Fri, 2020-02-21 at 16:00 +0000, Reitbauer, Alois wrote:
Hello everybody,

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on
Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator
definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that
there is more work to be done than simply a definition. Also with
operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project
using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to
be covered:

Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
Supporting projects with Operators
Coordination work among different operator framework.

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work
😊. If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply t
o this thread.

// Alois

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Matt Farina
 

I have a few questions, if you don't mind. I'm trying to place where this fits with the things...

  1. Is this meant to be a formal working group under the CNCF? As in https://github.com/cncf/toc/tree/master/workinggroups
  2. Is there a definition of done for the working group? Or a task to figure that out. Something like "Coordination work among different operator framework" could go on forever.
  3. Why do we need a minimum requirements for a "valid" operator? Has a problem surfaced that needs this for solving?

Thanks,
Matt

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Reitbauer, Alois wrote:

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work 😊. If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 


The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. Dynatrace Austria GmbH (registration number FN 91482h) is a company registered in Linz whose registered office is at 4020 Linz, Austria, Am Fünfundzwanziger Turm 20

Devdatta Kulkarni
 

Count me in!

We have been doing work in this space as part of delivering purpose-built multi-Operator stacks to our customers. As part of this we have defined a Operator Maturity Model with associated guidelines:



Will be happy to share these learnings with the community.

-Devdatta



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Subject: [cncf-sig-app-delivery] Starting work on Operator Working Group
 

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work 😊. If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 

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Grant Miller
 

We're definitely interested in joining as well.

Grant


On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 10:57 AM, Devdatta Kulkarni <devdatta@...> wrote:
Count me in!

We have been doing work in this space as part of delivering purpose-built multi-Operator stacks to our customers. As part of this we have defined a Operator Maturity Model with associated guidelines:



Will be happy to share these learnings with the community.

-Devdatta



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Subject: [cncf-sig-app-delivery] Starting work on Operator Working Group
 

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work . If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 

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Daniel Messer
 

Same here.


On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 10:35 PM Grant Miller <grant@...> wrote:
We're definitely interested in joining as well.

Grant


On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 10:57 AM, Devdatta Kulkarni <devdatta@...> wrote:
Count me in!

We have been doing work in this space as part of delivering purpose-built multi-Operator stacks to our customers. As part of this we have defined a Operator Maturity Model with associated guidelines:



Will be happy to share these learnings with the community.

-Devdatta



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Subject: [cncf-sig-app-delivery] Starting work on Operator Working Group
 

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work . If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 

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Reitbauer, Alois
 

See comments below:

 

// Alois

 

From: <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...> on behalf of "Matt Farina via Lists.Cncf.Io" <matt=mattfarina.com@...>
Reply to: "matt@..." <matt@...>
Date: Friday, 21. February 2020 at 18:11
To: "cncf-sig-app-delivery@..." <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...>
Cc: "cncf-sig-app-delivery@..." <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-sig-app-delivery] Starting work on Operator Working Group

 

I have a few questions, if you don't mind. I'm trying to place where this fits with the things...

 

  1. Is this meant to be a formal working group under the CNCF? As in https://github.com/cncf/toc/tree/master/workinggroups

[Alois] – Yes, just as we do for air gapped environemnts

  1. Is there a definition of done for the working group? Or a task to figure that out. Something like "Coordination work among different operator framework" could go on forever.

[Alois] First step is to see whether we have enough interested people. Next steps is to define the detailed agenda. I just threw in some high level discussion points to get the converstion started.

  1. Why do we need a minimum requirements for a "valid" operator? Has a problem surfaced that needs this for solving?

[Alois]  This relates to comments from your side regarding requirements to be listed in e.g. operator hub for non OLM operators.

 

Thanks,

Matt

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Reitbauer, Alois wrote:

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work 😊. If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 

 

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Chris Short
 

Count me in!

Chris Short
He/Him/His


On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:27 AM Reitbauer, Alois <alois.reitbauer@...> wrote:

See comments below:

 

// Alois

 

From: <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...> on behalf of "Matt Farina via Lists.Cncf.Io" <matt=mattfarina.com@...>
Reply to: "matt@..." <matt@...>
Date: Friday, 21. February 2020 at 18:11
To: "cncf-sig-app-delivery@..." <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...>
Cc: "cncf-sig-app-delivery@..." <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-sig-app-delivery] Starting work on Operator Working Group

 

I have a few questions, if you don't mind. I'm trying to place where this fits with the things...

 

  1. Is this meant to be a formal working group under the CNCF? As in https://github.com/cncf/toc/tree/master/workinggroups

[Alois] – Yes, just as we do for air gapped environemnts

  1. Is there a definition of done for the working group? Or a task to figure that out. Something like "Coordination work among different operator framework" could go on forever.

[Alois] First step is to see whether we have enough interested people. Next steps is to define the detailed agenda. I just threw in some high level discussion points to get the converstion started.

  1. Why do we need a minimum requirements for a "valid" operator? Has a problem surfaced that needs this for solving?

[Alois]  This relates to comments from your side regarding requirements to be listed in e.g. operator hub for non OLM operators.

 

Thanks,

Matt

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Reitbauer, Alois wrote:

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work 😊. If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 

 

The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. Dynatrace Austria GmbH (registration number FN 91482h) is a company registered in Linz whose registered office is at 4020 Linz, Austria, Am Fünfundzwanziger Turm 20

 

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Matt Farina
 

Alois,

You made a comment that may be getting to my point of confusion...

3. Why do we need a minimum requirements for a "valid" operator? Has a problem surfaced that needs this for solving?
[Alois]  This relates to comments from your side regarding requirements to be listed in e.g. operator hub for non OLM operators.

This raises two questions for me...
  1. The SIGs derive their scope from the TOC who gets it from the charter. What output could come from the "valid" operator discussion that would be used within the scope of the TOC as it relates to the projects. The TOC doesn't sit as management to project maintainers telling them what to do or build.
  2. If it comes to being listed in the operator hub isn't that an interface that the owner of the operator hub declares and works with other projects on? Isn't it the owner of the operator hub to decide on the scope for what they list?

I ask these questions because it comes down to a matter of who owns what scope. This is why I wanted the project level scope worked out ahead of time.

Does that help to explain why I'm asking the questions.

- Matt

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 11:27 AM, Reitbauer, Alois wrote:

See comments below:

 

// Alois

 

From: <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...> on behalf of "Matt Farina via Lists.Cncf.Io" <matt=mattfarina.com@...>
Reply to: "matt@..." <matt@...>
Date: Friday, 21. February 2020 at 18:11
To: "cncf-sig-app-delivery@..." <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...>
Cc: "cncf-sig-app-delivery@..." <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-sig-app-delivery] Starting work on Operator Working Group

 

I have a few questions, if you don't mind. I'm trying to place where this fits with the things...

 

  1. Is this meant to be a formal working group under the CNCF? As in https://github.com/cncf/toc/tree/master/workinggroups

[Alois] – Yes, just as we do for air gapped environemnts

  1. Is there a definition of done for the working group? Or a task to figure that out. Something like "Coordination work among different operator framework" could go on forever.

[Alois] First step is to see whether we have enough interested people. Next steps is to define the detailed agenda. I just threw in some high level discussion points to get the converstion started.

  1. Why do we need a minimum requirements for a "valid" operator? Has a problem surfaced that needs this for solving?

[Alois]  This relates to comments from your side regarding requirements to be listed in e.g. operator hub for non OLM operators.

 

Thanks,

Matt

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Reitbauer, Alois wrote:

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work 😊. If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 

 

The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. Dynatrace Austria GmbH (registration number FN 91482h) is a company registered in Linz whose registered office is at 4020 Linz, Austria, Am Fünfundzwanziger Turm 20

 


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Omer Kahani
 

I'm also interesting in joining


On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 6:27 PM Reitbauer, Alois <alois.reitbauer@...> wrote:

See comments below:

 

// Alois

 

From: <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...> on behalf of "Matt Farina via Lists.Cncf.Io" <matt=mattfarina.com@...>
Reply to: "matt@..." <matt@...>
Date: Friday, 21. February 2020 at 18:11
To: "cncf-sig-app-delivery@..." <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...>
Cc: "cncf-sig-app-delivery@..." <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-sig-app-delivery] Starting work on Operator Working Group

 

I have a few questions, if you don't mind. I'm trying to place where this fits with the things...

 

  1. Is this meant to be a formal working group under the CNCF? As in https://github.com/cncf/toc/tree/master/workinggroups

[Alois] – Yes, just as we do for air gapped environemnts

  1. Is there a definition of done for the working group? Or a task to figure that out. Something like "Coordination work among different operator framework" could go on forever.

[Alois] First step is to see whether we have enough interested people. Next steps is to define the detailed agenda. I just threw in some high level discussion points to get the converstion started.

  1. Why do we need a minimum requirements for a "valid" operator? Has a problem surfaced that needs this for solving?

[Alois]  This relates to comments from your side regarding requirements to be listed in e.g. operator hub for non OLM operators.

 

Thanks,

Matt

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Reitbauer, Alois wrote:

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work 😊. If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 

 

The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. Dynatrace Austria GmbH (registration number FN 91482h) is a company registered in Linz whose registered office is at 4020 Linz, Austria, Am Fünfundzwanziger Turm 20

 

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Chris Hein
 

+1 I'm interested and willing to contribute.


On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 11:57 AM Matt Farina <matt@...> wrote:
Alois,

You made a comment that may be getting to my point of confusion...

3. Why do we need a minimum requirements for a "valid" operator? Has a problem surfaced that needs this for solving?
[Alois]  This relates to comments from your side regarding requirements to be listed in e.g. operator hub for non OLM operators.

This raises two questions for me...
  1. The SIGs derive their scope from the TOC who gets it from the charter. What output could come from the "valid" operator discussion that would be used within the scope of the TOC as it relates to the projects. The TOC doesn't sit as management to project maintainers telling them what to do or build.
  2. If it comes to being listed in the operator hub isn't that an interface that the owner of the operator hub declares and works with other projects on? Isn't it the owner of the operator hub to decide on the scope for what they list?

I ask these questions because it comes down to a matter of who owns what scope. This is why I wanted the project level scope worked out ahead of time.

Does that help to explain why I'm asking the questions.

- Matt

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 11:27 AM, Reitbauer, Alois wrote:

See comments below:

 

// Alois

 

From: <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...> on behalf of "Matt Farina via Lists.Cncf.Io" <matt=mattfarina.com@...>
Reply to: "matt@..." <matt@...>
Date: Friday, 21. February 2020 at 18:11
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Subject: Re: [cncf-sig-app-delivery] Starting work on Operator Working Group

 

I have a few questions, if you don't mind. I'm trying to place where this fits with the things...

 

  1. Is this meant to be a formal working group under the CNCF? As in https://github.com/cncf/toc/tree/master/workinggroups

[Alois] – Yes, just as we do for air gapped environemnts

  1. Is there a definition of done for the working group? Or a task to figure that out. Something like "Coordination work among different operator framework" could go on forever.

[Alois] First step is to see whether we have enough interested people. Next steps is to define the detailed agenda. I just threw in some high level discussion points to get the converstion started.

  1. Why do we need a minimum requirements for a "valid" operator? Has a problem surfaced that needs this for solving?

[Alois]  This relates to comments from your side regarding requirements to be listed in e.g. operator hub for non OLM operators.

 

Thanks,

Matt

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Reitbauer, Alois wrote:

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work 😊. If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 

 

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Matt Baldwin <baldwin@...>
 

I'm very interested in participating in this sig. Looking forward to it. 


On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:23 PM Chris Hein <me@...> wrote:
I'm interested in contributing & participating in this!



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Liz Rice
 

It would be hugely helpful to have a community-agreed definition of what an Operator is, so I'm all in favour of this initiative. 

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On 24 Feb 2020, at 11:57, Matt Farina <matt@...> wrote:


Alois,

You made a comment that may be getting to my point of confusion...

3. Why do we need a minimum requirements for a "valid" operator? Has a problem surfaced that needs this for solving?
[Alois]  This relates to comments from your side regarding requirements to be listed in e.g. operator hub for non OLM operators.

This raises two questions for me...
  1. The SIGs derive their scope from the TOC who gets it from the charter. What output could come from the "valid" operator discussion that would be used within the scope of the TOC as it relates to the projects. The TOC doesn't sit as management to project maintainers telling them what to do or build.
  2. If it comes to being listed in the operator hub isn't that an interface that the owner of the operator hub declares and works with other projects on? Isn't it the owner of the operator hub to decide on the scope for what they list?

I ask these questions because it comes down to a matter of who owns what scope. This is why I wanted the project level scope worked out ahead of time.

Does that help to explain why I'm asking the questions.

- Matt

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020, at 11:27 AM, Reitbauer, Alois wrote:

See comments below:

 

// Alois

 

From: <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...> on behalf of "Matt Farina via Lists.Cncf.Io" <matt=mattfarina.com@...>
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Date: Friday, 21. February 2020 at 18:11
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Cc: "cncf-sig-app-delivery@..." <cncf-sig-app-delivery@...>
Subject: Re: [cncf-sig-app-delivery] Starting work on Operator Working Group

 

I have a few questions, if you don't mind. I'm trying to place where this fits with the things...

 

  1. Is this meant to be a formal working group under the CNCF? As in https://github.com/cncf/toc/tree/master/workinggroups

[Alois] – Yes, just as we do for air gapped environemnts

  1. Is there a definition of done for the working group? Or a task to figure that out. Something like "Coordination work among different operator framework" could go on forever.

[Alois] First step is to see whether we have enough interested people. Next steps is to define the detailed agenda. I just threw in some high level discussion points to get the converstion started.

  1. Why do we need a minimum requirements for a "valid" operator? Has a problem surfaced that needs this for solving?

[Alois]  This relates to comments from your side regarding requirements to be listed in e.g. operator hub for non OLM operators.

 

Thanks,

Matt

 

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Reitbauer, Alois wrote:

Hello everybody,

 

As discussed a while back we are also planning a working group on Operators. This is the next step after starting the work on operator definition. During the creation of the document it became clear that there is more work to be done than simply a definition.  Also with operator related projects joining the CNCF and more and more project using operators to deploy and manage on Kubernetes there is a lot to be covered:

 

  • Best practices how to write operators e.g. CRDs, APIs, ….
  • Minimum requirements for a “valid” operator
  • Supporting projects with Operators
  • Coordination work among different operator framework.

 

As this is a working group, we will need people to do the actual work 😊. If you are willing to actively contribute, please simply reply to this thread.

 

// Alois

 

 

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Reitbauer, Alois
 

I created a Google Doc to detail out what we want to work on. Please add yourself and also comment regarding goal and non-goals.

 

// Alois

 

 

[1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DqHnj8O9DoU1ev9RvEdpStFUQvH-Iz6OYako6bQn9rM/edit?usp=sharing

 

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Date: Tuesday, 25. February 2020 at 03:07
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Subject: Re: [cncf-sig-app-delivery] Starting work on Operator Working Group

 

I'm very interested in participating in this sig. Looking forward to it. 

 

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:23 PM Chris Hein <me@...> wrote:

I'm interested in contributing & participating in this!


 

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prudraraju@...
 

I am interested in joining. Looking forward to following standards set by the group. 

Bowen, Mike
 

Please count me in.

 

-Mike Bowen

 

 

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Reitbauer, Alois
 

Great to see so much interest in this work.

 

You can find the latest draft of the charter here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DqHnj8O9DoU1ev9RvEdpStFUQvH-Iz6OYako6bQn9rM/edit#

 

I also added a section at the end where everyone can share what they want to get out the working group.

 

// Alois

 

 

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Please count me in.

 

-Mike Bowen

 

 

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+1 Count me in

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